Thoughts on Heaven and Hell

Eldiran · **Posted:** Mon May 15, 2006 7:12 pm

Hm. If you say so.

Mini Moose n gir · **Posted:** Mon May 15, 2006 8:21 pm

anyone ever think that were already in hell?
just wondering

lahimatoa · **Posted:** Mon May 15, 2006 8:28 pm

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anyone ever think that were already in hell?

How old are you?

Because I get the feeling that there are a lot of 11-17 year old people who might agree with you.

But as for me, life is great! If this is hell, things are looking up!

Mini Moose n gir · **Posted:** Mon May 15, 2006 8:29 pm

im 13 and miserable

Didymus · **Posted:** Mon May 15, 2006 8:29 pm

I think someone suggested that might be the case near the beginning of this thread. In my sermons, I sometimes like to refer to this life as "the wasteland" or "the valley of shadow." The idea being that, in this imperfect life, we often do face things like pain, suffering, alienation, loneliness, etc. At times, it seems as if God has turned his back on the world.

But we are not completely abandoned yet. The Good Shepherd has come into this wasteland, this valley of shadow, to seek us, his lost sheep. So there is hope.

Hell, though, is the land of the dead. There, there is no hope. As Dante put it, "Abandon all hope, ye who enter here."

So is this hell? It can certainly seem that way (and I can testify to that!). But we are not without hope yet.

thegunslinger · **Posted:** Tue May 16, 2006 3:33 am

I agree, I believe hope is the one thing that seperates us from hell. No matter how hopeless things seem remember there is always hope. [man I've got to stop being so corny]

Didymus · **Posted:** Tue May 16, 2006 3:43 am

And we do get those occasional glimpses of heaven, too.

Occasional JD · **Posted:** Tue May 16, 2006 11:08 am

Didymus wrote:

I think someone suggested that might be the case near the beginning of this thread. In my sermons, I sometimes like to refer to this life as "the wasteland" or "the valley of shadow." The idea being that, in this imperfect life, we often do face things like pain, suffering, alienation, loneliness, etc. At times, it seems as if God has turned his back on the world.

But we are not completely abandoned yet. The Good Shepherd has come into this wasteland, this valley of shadow, to seek us, his lost sheep. So there is hope.

Hell, though, is the land of the dead. There, there is no hope. As Dante put it, "Abandon all hope, ye who enter here."

So is this hell? It can certainly seem that way (and I can testify to that!). But we are not without hope yet.

Man, agnosticism sucks...

Badri3211 · **Posted:** Tue May 16, 2006 8:42 pm

Didymus wrote:

I think someone suggested that might be the case near the beginning of this thread. In my sermons, I sometimes like to refer to this life as "the wasteland" or "the valley of shadow." The idea being that, in this imperfect life, we often do face things like pain, suffering, alienation, loneliness, etc. At times, it seems as if God has turned his back on the world.

But we are not completely abandoned yet. The Good Shepherd has come into this wasteland, this valley of shadow, to seek us, his lost sheep. So there is hope.

Hell, though, is the land of the dead. There, there is no hope. As Dante put it, "Abandon all hope, ye who enter here."

So is this hell? It can certainly seem that way (and I can testify to that!). But we are not without hope yet.

Really? I thought hell was the place where people who commited sins go.

furrykef · **Posted:** Tue May 16, 2006 8:58 pm

In that case, we would all go to Hell.

Who actually goes to Hell or not depends on the exact beliefs. Calvinists believe that God has already chosen, others believe that you'll go to Heaven as long as you believe in Christ, and so on.

But you know what Didymus meant, come on.

ed 'lim' smilde · **Posted:** Tue May 16, 2006 11:04 pm

furrykef wrote:

Calvinists believe that God has already chosen, others believe that you'll go to Heaven as long as you believe in Christ,

Calvinists believe that people who believe in Christ and ask for forgiveness will go to heaven just like others do, but the 'God has already chosen' idea is just because God is all-knowing-- obviously when he created the universe he would know who would saved and who wouldn't. People obviously aren't omnipotent, so they don't know who will be saved and who won't, which is why Calvinists still spend time evangelizing and stuff.

Didymus · **Posted:** Tue May 16, 2006 11:13 pm

Not exactly. Traditional Calvinism believes that God chooses, not based on anything about the person (who they are, what they do, etc.), but entirely based on his sovereignty. It falls under that whole Unconditional Election thing.

Us Lutherans believe similarly, but with some key differences. We don't believe in Limited Atonement (that Christ died only for the elect), but rather Universal Atonement (that Christ died for the whole world). We also do not believe in Irresistable Grace.

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