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Lessee. What can I say that hasn't already been said? And that's not insulting?

Well, just try not to worry about it. I'm personally not all that pleased by it either right now, but I recognize that this is what we need to do to continue the species. It's interesting that we're the only people that worry about all this and that animals just go and do what they're supposed to do. Some may argue that it's because we're smarter, but I think they are wiser about these things. And they don't even know it.

Animals rock.

Anyway, just try not to worry about it right now. Although you may start to see it trying to engulf everyone around you at your age. Heck, it's starting to happen at my age (13).

I guess I would just say to go with the flow about it.

Actually, that would work with just about anything. Go with the flow, man.

Oh, a Toppa The Page Dance! Awesome!

Cool! I haven't done a good ol' fashioned actual-dancing-emoticon-style TOTPD in a long time.

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So, so you think you can tell Heaven from Hell, blue skies from pain. Can you tell a green field from a cold steel rail? A smile from a veil? Do you think you can tell?

It's too bad the flow is infinitely heading to lower ground.

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You're a moron if you think I'm not.

We worry about it because sex has been prtrayed as a bad thing, a thing to be protected from, when really, when used responsibly, it is a good, a vital thing. Too bad so many people have no responsibility.

Exactly, Ju Ju. Which is why God gave us the gift of marriage, so that our sexuality, and our sex, can be sanctified.

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That might be the best way to make conception...right.

Thank you Didymus. *hugs*

To answer some questions:

How did I learn it?

When I was ten I was watching a show on the discovery channel about animals. The subject then turned to reroduction with animals and made note of the "S word". Confused by this, I went to the encyclopedia to find out what it ment. It told me everything, but it used so many complex words that I only half understood it.

Then on May third, 2003, I learned everything. A lesson called:

Answering one question took me over an hour. I usually closed my eyes while writing. I also didn't sleep very well for that week.

Oh, and please don't say my parents had anything to do with "messing me up". If you want to know what they said it was this: Nothing. The reason I have this fear is because of one person. Me.

Why am I scared of it?

When I was learning about conception at thirteen, it mentiond
in detail every sinful act other then marriage. When I was put in the knowlege of all this, I could barely think. The very idea that people could do such acts was beyond anything my imagination could concive. Because people are human and sinful, I knew that I was in this catagory. Even though I knew that God would help defend me from this, I couldn't help consider the idea of me falling into this sort of sin.

This is how I couldn't understand how every form of conception is wrong except through marriage.

Just look at it in it's purest form. When you have someone taking their most private areas and then...it...it...

It just seems inhuman to me.

But I do admit, I have felt the beautiful side of it. I once saw a painting called "Shall we dance?". It depectid a married couple kissing each other in bed. Nothing obscene was shown. But it was very lovely. It did show me that conception might not be horrific.

Maby I've been wrong all this time...

Perhaps all of you where right...

Maby I was just being silly...

OR maybe you were just struggling with the same kinds of feelings everyone else has when they, too, are confronted with some complex issues, and maybe, just like the rest of us, you just needed to struggle through it.

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really, really good call didymus. really good call. im not going to go into detail about it but lets just say that everyone struggles with sex in their teens whether it is pressure to do so, finding out about it specifically, etc. every mcEveryone, girls, boys, and nebulon. so you aren't alone, Alex.

Very true.

Everyone has their struggles. Conception is mine. And I'm still undecided with what to think of it. Perhaps this is just the Lord's plan for me. I've looked at being single for the rest of my life, to being single and adopting, to getting married and adopting, and getting married and going with conception.

I think I need some time away from this topic.

*goes to watch an Anime movie*

If your parents haven't talked to you about it (and I'm assuming they're Christians, too), then they probably don't know you're so conflicted about the subject. You should probably ask them/one of them about the subject. They can problem help you more than a bunch of forumers. After all, they've all been through it too.

It'll probably be difficult to ask them, but it worked for me.

(If you have already talked to them about it, ignore this post.)

I'd say because your horomones havn't hit yet (if that is indeed the case). Some guys are late bloomers, there's nothing you can really do about it.

I know I was a little afraid of the subject at first also but when you have to go though 2 Health classes in 3 years it becomes nothing more than another topic of conversation between myself and my classmates.

What kind of social structure are you in? Do you have some less pious friends or are they all hard-line like yourself? There's nothing really wrong with it either way but my guess is that if you exsist in a social group where sex and reproduction are taboo then it would be a lot harder for you to get over your fear of the subject.

Sex exsists, it has for the last few hundred million years and that isn't going to change anytime soon. I advise you to try and let go of whatever you may be holding against the subject.

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Ahh... I love seeing problems being overcome by rational thought. It's such a nice change of pace from the world.

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Very true indeed.

Anyways, back to the question here. So, you say that sex seems unhuman. But, really, it isn't, it's completely human. Why are "rpivate parts" considered private? If sex was sticking your finger in someone's ear, would that be gross? Probably - it'd end up getting that reputation somehow.. The problem isn't what sex actually is, it's the reputation of sex. Your "private part" is just a part of your body, it's nothing that one should be ashamed of. The only reason we hide it from sight of others is it just has a bad reputation. So, if you can put the reputation aside and see that it's really, nothing, you'll be fine.

No, it must be at LEAST more than a reputation, since most STDs are only spread through genetal organs.

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yeah but we spread tons of disease without our genitals. i mean if we use the disease logic for private parts, then we should wear nose-pants and mouth pants more than penis-pants.

i just think that we stigmatize sex with some awful things because boiled down it is nothing more than reproduction that is best (but not always) shared between two people very much in love. and people who do it for reasons other than love are valid, too, even though they may be sinners in some people's eyes.

Okay, fellas. Alex started this thread because he was concerned about his own views of sexuality. I think his concerns have been adequately addressed, and he probably needs some time to digest wome of your input. As such, I would like to suggest that we just leave this topic alone for a while.

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I'll have to disagree with you there. Put in the simplest terms, humans are incapable of having healthy yet sexual relationships with more than one person. It's simply the way our psyche and our soul is built. Unfortunately, as humans are wont to do, we defy nature in attempt to fulfill our wants and lust.

The stigmatization (?) is an attempt to control our berserk sexual impulse. It's a reaction to all the sickening lust that fills the world – to some, sex can easily become as addictive as a drug.

Sadly I've yet to come up with logical connections/proof for this strong enough to post here. This is based on my experiences, observations, and common sense. Not to mention conscience.

However, I do find there's a certain logical fallacy in those who think sex is a healthy part of a dating relationship, yet try to retain 'self-respect'. If sex is fine for such non-binding relationships, then why limit it? I honestly don't understand that. I find that concept most often held by those who walk the path between moral impulses and worldly impulses; maintaining a 'respectable' or 'decent' lifestyle without ever stopping to think or dedicate themselves to anything real.

EDIT: Oh. Sorry 'bout that, Didymus. I need to work on my timing.

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You're a moron if you think I'm not.

yeah i wasn't really advocating "loose" sexual behavior but saying something more along the lines of "to each his own" and i agree, didymus, i think that we've said basically all there is to say.

After thinking about this for the past week, I think I've made a little progress.

My opinion on conception is still undecided. But I'm not so fiercely against it as I was.

I think what's best for me is to have faith in the Lord. Sometimes things happen that don't make literal sence, and when that happens, you can only have faith.

An idea came to me of why the Lord made conception the way it is; because a married couple needs to trust each other. Conception is the ultimate way of forming a trust between a couple. As Didymus said, "A sacrement."

While I still feel immensely uncomfortable with conception, I think that I might be able to contend with it if I find someone I can trust.

Perhaps one day I will meet someone who is just as frightend with it as myself. So with that, we can trust each other under these circumstances. And help each other over are fears. Maby that's why getting married is so important.

And if I did have someone to reassure me, I think I would feel...safe.

I would like to say Thank You to all of you here who helped me through this. I think what I intended to do in this topic was done. To give me hope. I think this topic can be closed now. Unless anyone wants to comment further, then please keep it open.

To all of you, Thank you very much for helping me. I'm feeling much better.

*gives hugs and cookies to the forumers*

I know you've already said that you're feeling better about this stuff, Alexander, but here's another idea to ponder.



D'you think that maybe that's the whole reason we consider those areas to be private? The whole idea of sharing yourself with only that one "right" person. (And doctors, of course, but that's different. )

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And then again when you think about it to procreate is the most human thing possible, it's one of the only things that hasn't changed (other than the invention of conterceptives and such) since the beginning of time.

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I hinted at this earlier, when I said that, through marriage, God sanctifies both our sexuality and our sex (and by that, I mean our sexual nature and the act of intercourse itself). There's a reason why the Roman Catholic Church calls marriage a Sacrament (we Lutherans don't, but we still believe that marriage is a divine event - just not in the same way as Baptism or Holy Communion). In the sanctified act of intercourse, God is there watching over and blessing the couple as they join together; he is, in fact, a vital part of what is taking place.

But I will say this, Alex: I think, in a very real way, you recognize the seriousness of this act, and on a certain level, know it should be respected. Hang on to respect. Don't take it lightly, as some people do today. Realize that in its purest form, sex is not just the sharing between two people, but also God. (I hope I didn't make that sound perverted). In that way, you may come to revere it rather than fear it.

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For me it was kinda too late, when I read that my mind was already in the gutter.

0_0 I'm a bad boy.

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RIP Nathan "Buz" Buzdor

Well, the explanation of what I meant is in the previous paragraph. So...just...no.

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I'd just like to add some reassurance to Alexander and throw in my two cents to the topic.

First, Alex, I'm so sorry that you are feeling this way. Glad to see that some of the forumers have been helping you through this.

I think it was BTG who first said that sex is overrated. My opinion is that sex is, simultaneously, the most overrated and underrated thing I can imagine. People make too big a deal out of it for the wrong reasons, and not enough of a deal about it for the right reasons. Sex is a beautilful and wonderful thing, and not sinful at all. Humans use it for sinful reasons, but sex in and of itself is a gift.

As for the "private parts" remark, I'm going to say something I've been helping teach kids for the past 4 months (I tour with a theatre company that does a show teaching kids about sexual abuse and how to prevent/stop it): our bodies are beautiful - we need not try and hide them from anyone, we just need to repsect and take care of ourselves and our hearts.

Now, as for the whole sex/marriage issue...oh boy...well, in an ideal situation, I think sex should be reserved for two monogomous people who are committed and in love. The reason I say this is my nephew. My sister became pregnant at 19 (she wasn't married at the time...in fact, my parents didn't even know she was dating...talk about a shock); she's now 28. Despite her not having an "ideal" pregnancy, I know she, and the rest of my family, wouldn't trade my nephew for the world. And I know God gave him to her for a reason. So wonderful things can come out of a situation you might first view as "wrong".

Good luck to you, Alexander. I definitely suggest talking to a religious leader, since a lot of your issues seem to stem from religion. But talk to ANYONE who will give you honest answers.

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I wish I saw this thread sooner. But anyway...

I know how you feel. I'm surprised, though; I think most people find out before age 13 (especially these days). I think I was in fourth grade when I read the book (I still remember it, as I checked it out at the library a few times) I learned it from. I remember my first reaction was something like, "WTF, ewww!!"

To be frank, I think part of this reaction is a product of our own repressive culture. (I wrote this part before continuing to read the thread, and now I noticed PianoManGidley also discussed this. I decided to leave my own version in.) We're taught that these are "bad" body parts, and we shouldn't ever see them or touch them except when necessary. (I noticed you already said you weren't specifically taught this... but then, neither was I. It's just an idea we seem to pick up. My parents were not particularly sexually repressive either.) I think this attitude is harmful; in some people, it will create fear (as it seems to have with you). In other people, it may also create an abnormal interest in "naughty" things. In my case, I think it actually did both. Maybe I'm wrong to blame society -- certainly, it's not entirely society's fault anyway -- but I don't think it helps.

That doesn't mean I think people ought to be able to parade around naked, or have sex as if it were like walking the dog. (I'm not saying such a society is necessarily wrong, either. Was ancient Rome wrong? Well, maybe from a Christian perspective, but... oh, forget it. ) What I mean is, we shouldn't be afraid of who we are. We're biological and, yes, sexual creatures. Of course, this doesn't help much when such fear has already been instilled in you.



I think you should examine this question from a logical perspective instead of an emotional one. I understand that's not an easy thing to do when you feel strongly about something. But maybe you'll have some insight.

Specifically, what's so wrong about "that way" in the first place? Set aside your emotions for a moment. We have these body parts. We use them a certain way, and they accomplish a certain goal (and it feels really nice in the process, I hear ). That's all there really is to it. Well, of course there are things like disease to worry about, not to mention ritual purity and all that (I'm not a Christian, so I'm not particularly worried about "sin", but I respect your beliefs), but if you practice a little responsibility, that's no problem.

So, I don't think there's really anything inherently "wrong" in the concept, from a biological perspective. So I think your fears -- and mine -- come from something else, rather than the particular "way" that God has chosen.

[quote=StrongRad]You know, I mean this in as friendly a way as possible, but I think you'll find your feelings on this subject will change.[/quote]

I agree with StrongRad. In fact, it's almost a certainty that they will change. Changing is what we do, after all. But there's no telling how exactly your feelings will change or what they will change to. I just hope you'll be able to sort them out better than I've been able to sort out mine. (If well-sorted feelings on this subject are a neat stack of paper, my paper is scattered all over the floor... if that makes any sense.) No use worrying about that, though. Whatever happens, happens.

I guess in the end, that's all the reassurance we can ever have. Whatever happens, happens. But that isn't so bad, is it? We should learn to just relax.

- Kef

There's a decapitated head on my head! AAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRGGGHHHHHHBBLBBLLBLLBLBLBLLBLBLLBLLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Correction I said it wasn't overrated.

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That's a very good perspective, MHG (for a robot). Those parts of us are indeed the most intimate, and are best shared with the one person with whom we have that deepest level of trust.

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I just thought of something that also might have affected me. My sister. I'm not going into detail for privacy and respect for my sister, but I will say, I had a nephew on October the third, 2003. Three months after I learned about conception. With someone my parents never knew about. That was my first real introduction to conception. I think it was this impression that hurt me so much.

I learned to forgive her, and the past is now behind me on that subject, I love my nephew, who is currently 3 and full of curosity. And thankfully, the effect on me has mostly worn off.

I don't think I will ever feel completly comfortable with conception though. My dad wanted my to watch this documentary on the developement of children, but I couldn't stomach to watch it.

I would rather be done with conception as quickly as possible. I have heard that it's one of the most wonderful feelings in the world, but I sincerly doubt that. I really only want a child more then anything in this world. More then love even.

I think that partly, your fearful view on this situation is partly caused by today's culture. Rap, country, movies, magazines, they all lead us to the fact that reproduction is a "bad" and "on the edje." When overused, and with bad intentions, I believe it is bad. But with someone you love, and for a child and a child only, it is perfectly sane and unsinful. If you never stop feeling uncomfortable, but you do fall in love, adoption may be the way to goo. Don't let the aprehensin ruin a realtionship.

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