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I know i'm not really in the conversation here.. but i have noticed the war on Easter too, and I'm not very happy about it. A lot like the war on Christmas. Every Christmas I get more than a little annoyed that politically correctness has taken priority to the Christmas spirit. I knew it would happen eventually, but it doesn't make me any less disappointed in society that the war has also spread to Easter. I wish I could do something about this whole thing, but getting nasty doesn't solve anything and doesn't make me any better than them. I'm afraid of getting in an arguement because I'll get torn apart with the people who actually know what they're talking about, but I just wanted you to know that I'm behind ya, Trev.


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There is a war on religion as it is. People may say that we need science not religion but science doesn't provide morals. Militant atheists are cruel people. I live in a very liberal town. Wore a cross around my neck for one day in school. Sadly I had to suffer abuse for doing so. SInce when does believing in being kind to people become crap? When marxism rules. I blame Marx for this stuff. He started a large wave of anti-religion. Easter has been in general twisted as has Christmas. On christmas my town would always put up a manger on the town green. It got burned by some arsonists who were rewarded for "upholding the first amendment." Politcal correctnes is doing an all out war on any religion but Islam. In one school teachers were not allowed to wear crosses but the students have to participate in a project where they have to be muslims for 2 weeks. Is this not insane?

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SInce when does believing in being kind to people become crap? When marxism rules. I blame Marx for this stuff. He started a large wave of anti-religion.


Um...no. Just...no. Marx's political philosophies have nothing to do with religion. I agree that attacking people for believing what they believe is wrong--unless what they believe explicitly and deliberately instructs them to harm others. People should be free to believe whatever they want to believe.

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SInce when does believing in being kind to people become crap? When marxism rules. I blame Marx for this stuff. He started a large wave of anti-religion.


Um...no. Just...no. Marx's political philosophies have nothing to do with religion. I agree that attacking people for believing what they believe is wrong--unless what they believe explicitly and deliberately instructs them to harm others. People should be free to believe whatever they want to believe.


It wasn't propaganda. I have 2 parents living under communism so I asked witnesses. They stated that religion was looked down upon. Churches were difficult to create because the government dilsiked them. Read 1984. George Orwell wasn't right wing cus he was socialist but he also knew it. Read Marx's teachings. He was part of a agressive atheist group. So sorry to tell you but you were wrong.

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Metal Head is right, Pianoman. Karl Marx did state that religion was the opiate of the masses, and in doing so, condoned the elimination of religious faith. To him, one's faith shouldn't be in some dead god, but in one's community. And if you still don't believe that Marx' philosophy isn't inherently hostile to religion, just look at the way religion was treated under Soviet Russia, and the way it is treated now under Communist China.

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Metal Head is right, Pianoman. Karl Marx did state that religion was the opiate of the masses, and in doing so, condoned the elimination of religious faith. To him, one's faith shouldn't be in some dead god, but in one's community. And if you still don't believe that Marx' philosophy isn't inherently hostile to religion, just look at the way religion was treated under Soviet Russia, and the way it is treated now under Communist China.


Yeah, but if you look at the link I provided, that quote wasn't part of his Communist Manifesto:

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Perhaps the most quoted reason for connecting atheism to communism comes from Karl Marx's statement:

"Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of the heartless world, just as it is the spirit of a spiritless situation. It is the opium of the people."

However, this statement does not come from his communist philosophy, but rather from a critique of Hegel's Philosophy of Right. It also does not express a statement about atheism or about the absence of a god, but rather an observation about religion. Note that many people who believe in god but who renounce religion agree with that statement.


Furthermore...

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Although there certainly occurred prosecutions against Russian churches in the early 1900s, the powers of communism did this out of political concerns, not for religious or atheist reasons. Communists desire the control of all social resources and this includes its religious instruments just as it does its industry and agriculture. This served as one of the reasons why Stalin reintroduced the Russian Orthodox Church where it exists to this day.


Now I agree that Communism in practice has been oppressive of religions, but that does not necessarily mean that the theory of Communism is necessarily Atheistic in nature. Just like people that follow Christianity can be real hate-mongers doesn't mean that's what Jesus wanted.

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I have one thing to say. In communist countries churches were constantly being closed down. The church where my dad got married was demolished a month later because it was a "place of rebellion" ie. it went against marxist theories. It's probably where Sarge got his "Religion is the cause of all of humanities trouble" theory. He has some creepy concepts. My opinion on religion? Science may be there to explain things but it can't provide a moral compass. Religion will. Even under communism where there was no religion certain icons such as Lenin, Stalin, and Mao were revered like gods. Human nature makes us want to be able to worship something. It's why people who try to destroy religion always fail.

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