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They're going after flag-burning, abortion, and gay marriage this year. Don't worry, they'll start criminalizing homosexuality entirely if given the chance.

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Ultra...left...can't...stand...it...much...longer...*dies*

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What do you believe? You've made it abundantly clear what you disagree with, but I'm curious as to what you stand for.

That's what I'm wondering. What DOES the left stand for, other than everything the right is against?

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Okay...first off: The Religious Right (as much as an oxymoron as that is, because I see them more as the Religious Wrong...) have been fighting abortion, gay rights, and flag-burning for far longer than just this year. The whole flag-burning issue can be traced back to the Supreme Court case of Texas vs. Johnson in 1989, where the Supreme Court ruled that flag-burning is protected under the "free speech" portion of the 1st amendment.

Now...as for what the Left stands for--from what I have gathered, they stand for equal rights of individuals, promoting and encouraging individuality, whereas the Right seems to be more concerned with family, community, and (according to the Left--which I don't necessarily agree with 100%) conformity to specific standards and rules that don't necessarily apply to nor benefit everyone.

While I do promote families and communities because I understand how we are social creatures and rely on each other to not only survive but to live enriched lives, I DON'T understand how people can just arbitrarily claim that allowing things like flag-burning or abortions or equality for gays is a threat to "family values"....unless, that is, they "value" things like being prejudice against gay people.

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The meaning of life is 'bucket.'

FOR PONY!!!

Anyone take a short stroll around that blogsite?

The guy who wrote that article--Zach--seems to be a part of the "atheist left" as it were. The blog site itself is composed of multiple bloggers and one mentioned in an entry that while they have nothing against religion, this Zach character would disagree:



(I agree with that quote BTW--someone using their religion to justify intolerance and hate is never a good thing)

What I'm getting at, and something I'm gonna make a thread on in short order because this Zach character also posted about it and cheered them on, is that the writer is likely steeped in bias. With a little bit of paranoia.

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Regarding this "takeover", please define who exactly this "religious right" is. Does the term refer to anyone who believes in God? Those who oppose abortion, gay marriage, etc.?

It refers to the really extreme religious Conservatives out there, you know The Fundies.

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So, in other words a VERY small minority by which the extremely ignorant judge all christians and conservatives.

I find it funny that people think you can divide the "right" and "left" by religion. Not everyone on either side belongs to the same religion (or ANY religion, for that matter).

The "Religious Right's Plan to Takeover America" is about as real as "The Hidden Homosexual Agenda of Hollywood".

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If you can't fix it with a hammer, you have an electrical problem.

Well all writers are steeped in bias, sure.

Zach's an angry fella, atheist no doubt, but I think the anger there is more toward those who push an agenda on others and I heavily doubt he enjoys the uber-bizarre gays who parade wearing thongs any more than the overzealous Christians handing out flyers at gay bars.

The left seems to stand for what the right used to. Personal freedoms, limited government involvement, privacy, etc. Of course, the big difference is that the left is BIG on equality, and the one thing in the article to pull from it is that no laws should ever be based solely upon religious convictions.

Being religious and having moral stances is fine, but it's when you want to legislate on them and them alone that people get mad.

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"Thou shalt not murder, thou shalt not steal, thou shalt not commit adultury" come to mind when discussing laws based on religious conviction. While not everyone believes in God, the Ten Commandments have some good advice for just about everybody. Especially "love your neighbor as yourself" which Jesus said was the second greatest commandment after "love your God with all your heart, all your strength and all your mind (I think that's how it goes)". I might have those two reversed.

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That is a good point. I myself am a religious centrist ... Religious Left and Atheist Right groups do exist as well. I can't think of the website, but isn't there an organization called CrossLeft?

It seems, though, that Atheist Left and Religious Right have the strongest polar opposites and most rhetoric exchange right now with Bush in office ...

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True...but the ideas of not murdering, stealing, etc. can be (and have been) proven to stem from secular morals as well, and to have secular functions. Moreover, the Christian Bible isn't the only religion to have a text, I'm sure, to state things like not to murder people or steal from them.

The arguments against homosexuality, however, as being immoral are entirely religious, as there is NO argument that holds water to show that homosexuality or gay marraige would be immoral from a secular point of view, which is what our 1st Amendment requires in creating a law.

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The meaning of life is 'bucket.'

FOR PONY!!!

Religious...right...can't...stand...it...much...longer...*dies*

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MODERATE...MAJORITY...OF...AMERICA..can't...stand...it...much...longer...*DIES

Teehee, this is fun.

I love when people call us a theocracy. We're not even a wannabe theocracy. Go to Iran. Go to Saudi Arabia. Go to Middle Ages Europe. THEN tell me the US is a theocracy.

Granted, there are some crazy things that I don't feel are right, but in general, even the "oppressed" are better off here than they would be in most places.

You don't want another George Bush in the white house? Democrats, give us someone worth voting for. Al Gore?!?! John Kerry?!?!? It's like you're not even trying. The benchwarmer of the republicans' B-Team beat those guys.

Go find another Bill Clinton (and I don't mean Hillary) and you will own the White House for 8 years.

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If you can't fix it with a hammer, you have an electrical problem.

You have nothing against the atheist left, though, do you?

I identify as very liberal. And I'm an atheist.

And you make digs like this.

Religiously, my ire extends towards militant atheists who go around calling religious people "superstitious" or "less intelligent and rational than atheists." It also extends to those who say religion is a cancer, or a virus of the mind, or blame all the problems humanity as a whole faces on it. Bonus points if they advocate banning religion, or if they enjoy harassing and trolling religious people and places of worship.

Politically, I have a hard time standing left-wing zealots who think Michael Moore is absolutely right in whatever he says, and think George Bush is the great Satan and whatever he says or does is evil, no questions asked. There's a lot of people on the right wing I can't stand either, Pat Buchanan one of them.

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A) I'm not a zealot. I'm actually pro-death penalty for terrorists.
B ) I dislike Michael Moore. I think he's an idiot.
C) I have never, at any time, disagreed with everything that Bush has done. I had nothing against him when he was actually looking for Bin Laden.
Reconsider what you said, please.

Why should I reconsider what I said? You asked if I hold that aganst all left-leaning atheists, so I listed what kind of sentiments really tick me off. If you don't demonstrate support for those sentiments, then I won't take issue with you.

The religious and political spectrums are not black and white. I'd still be annoyed by a right-wing atheist who wants religion purged from the Earth, for example. In contrast, I've said before in other threads that there are atheists I have great respect for, left or right wing.

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You've made it sound like a generalization towards left-leaning atheists.