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And now, for something completly out of the place...

I, being Christian, don't really like Christian music.

It's not that I hate the message being put out, or because I think it sounds silly, it's just that I don't like the sound of it.

For the most part, I agree with you.

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... what? Why exactly did you need to say that? Look, we KNOW you're Christian, great for you. What you said just came off as a very arrogant "My God is Much Bigger than Yours" type of remark and was even a little disrespectful towards paganism.

Just out of Irony, the little dude in your avatar from whatever RPG has an Ankh as a weapon; I'm wearing one right now. It's the egyptian glyph for life but it's also widely used as both a pagan and goth symbol.



Now, I'll give Ian that maybe he didn't mean to come off like that, but acknowledging "OMG YES JESUS IS BETTER THAN SELENE" is just being stupid. This is exactly what I mean when it comes to "Breathing space" for non-Xians in here.



... no, it's being made for people as well as jesus otherwise they wouldn't have concerts, would they? And if it's being made for Jesus, how do you know Jesus likes that way of doing things? I doubt he would.



... no it's not. Christians don't have to play Christian music.



Well, that's debatable. Just because someone is your idol or messiah doesn't mean your entire life revolves around him. Especially since a lot of other stuff happens in the bible.



... yes there are. And there's certainly "Metal" bands too, Megadeth comes to mind.



Yes, there probably are, just not many. And as I said, Enigma made many Christian references in their first album despite New Age normally going hand in hand with paganism. They sort of mish-mash everything a little.

I don't know, and I don't think Michael and his wife are Christian, but they do use the more spiritual aspects of Christianity in their music, the bits I actually kind of like, so it all works well.

Check this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MCMXC_a.D.

That's a very good album, in my opinion. It's not really Christian as such, but still, if Christian Musicians did music more like that, they'd get somewhere.

But still, one of the most influential New Age albums of all time having quite a few Christian themes is food for thought.



That's not necessarily true. New Age is about the spiritual and there can be New Age Christians that fall back on the spiritual as opposed to the dogmatic element.



What? You don't listen to them because they're openly pagan? What sort of shot reasoning is that? I listen to Billy Corgan, and he openly presents himself as Christian. I expect that first part was so you could make the joke about the spelling(I hope that was a joke)

As for I.S., they were founded to be a Pagan band but ended up in the goth scene so they're a goth band first, and a pagan band second. I do know some non-pagans who appreciate their music, but I still don't feel entirely comfortable with even people who share my beliefs flaunting them. However, that said, unlike most Christian bands their lyrics are varied and even deal with other religions too. They tend to be a pagan-themed band rather than a "yay we're pagans listen to us" band, at least these days.

I'm not even a huge fan. I like some of their songs though, and there isn't much "worship my god". They do sing about gods & mythology, but since there are so many different gods and mythologies they sing aobut it's a lot easier to take than "Jesus, Jesus!".

Inkubus Sukkubus are kind of like what a Christian band should be, except pagan.

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"Joey John McJesuslover" sounds like a mockery, so I made one, too.

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Didymus summed up my thoughts on the matter exactly.

Thank you.

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Yeah, but to be fair I posted about 2 A4 Pages on why it's okay to make fun of that guy And I was only making fun of the musicians, whereas yours was directed at Pagans in general, which is different. It WAS a "my God is better than yours". About half a page of that is just fat added on to make sure that it didn't look to some people like I was saying the same thing(Which is funny because the same people would be mostly against P.C.).

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I just think it's sad that you don't recognize your own hypocrisy..

Joey John McJesuslover IS just as offensive, if not more offensive than what Ian said.
If he had really wanted to offend you, he would have said "at least Jesus was real".

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... no. Maybe the fairy-hippie-pagan thing was "Just as offensive", but the rest of his post as a whole was one big "My religion is better than yours". If not, tell me what he was trying to say then?

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that was his entire post..

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My point was that since Rosie was disrespectful to Christians by using the "Joey John McJesuslover" name, I used the Lunara thing as a comeback.

I apologize for stooping low & fighting fire with fire. And...toastpaint.

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No, you also pointed out that you'd rather drink from Jesus' cup than a goddess which is already taken as given, and pointing that out is either stupid, or as I said, being pushy.



Lunara the Spring Moon only makes one one small bit of that post. If you replace it with the appropriate equivillent:

Hey, I'd rather drink Jesus' cup of coffee than Selene's any day.

That is very much a "My God is Much Bigger than yours" type statement, and someone even said it was well put, which is worse.

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OK, I apologize for that; I should have said that I would rather drink from Jesus' cup of coffee than, say, Snoop Dogg's. What I really meant to say was that listening to Christian music gives me a better example to live by than listening to gangsta rap.

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Sounds like you're doing the same thing you accused Ian of, and before he did it..

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One of my fellow reviewing friends wrote one the most convincing arguments against Christian Rock I've ever heard in a comment to another site (where the discussion was centering around how terrible Bob Dylan's Saved was), and I thought it was worth quoting here in this thread, especially since I more or less completely agree with it:

Oh boy, here we go. As visitors to my site probably know, I am a Mormon, and an extremely devout one at that (and don't anybody dare go into a 'Mormons aren't really Christan' spiel - those blow my mind with their stupidity and are a waste of my time). I love my faith with all of my heart, blah blah etc etc.

That being said, I can't stand 'Christian rock' or 'Christian pop'. I think that, quite frankly, they're offenses to both Christianity and to rock. They are ridiculously banal lyrically - the straight-forwardness of the lyrical passages is always pathetic beyond words. And the cheapening of the religion through horrendously underdeveloped music and STUPID verses are, to me, EXTREMELY offensive.

For me, there are three good musical ways to get spiritual inspiration as a Christian. The first is to go straight to the point with hymns - and I don't mean stupid commericalized ditties that people in collegiate Christian organizations like to sing, I mean regal, solemn and reverent numbers like How Great Thou Art.

The second is through classical. Bach and co. dedicated great deals of their work to God, and listening makes it obvious why.

The third, and my most common choice, is through spiritually-vibed but _not_ faith specific pop and rock. There are TONS of uplifting but not specifically Christian, and most importantly _good_, albums out there. As silly as it might seem to some, Yes fits the bill a lot. So do the Moody Blues (To Our Children's Children's Children and its accompanying vibe in particular). So does the Who (Tommy and Quadrophenia.) Heck, so does Genesis (there are countless climaxes of spiritual catharsis on Selling England by the Pound). And, for crying out, the Stones catalogue is filled with Gospel music that has nothing to with religion but is still uplifting in its own, ironically debauched way.

My point? If you feel so insecure in your faith that you need pop and rock music to specifically 'buoy' you _doctrinally_, even at the expense of quality and good taste, then you have serious, serious problems with your spirituality.

wait a minute... arent you not Supposed to Drink From the Holy Grail?

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ohh... well,..err.... it could be YahWeh's Cup of Coffee.....or... Goliaths Cup of Coffee...or...moseses....

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Jesus=Yahweh. Established.

Goliath: Philistine. Killed.

Moses: Prophet. Not God.

Toastpaint.

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Well, I've never even HEARD of them before this. And yes, it was a joke, sorta.

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Me neither.. I'd heard of Incubus, but I'm guessing this band that looks like they failed spelling is probably a completely different sound.

*PS, the Beatles failed spelling, too... BEETLE!!!

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so then it was Jesus that Wrote the Ten Commandments on Mount Sinai, then gave them to Moses The Prophet, and Jesus's Remains are in the Ark of the Covenant, and Jesus is the one who Set Samson Upon the Earth to Kill the Philistines, and it was Jesus who put the Bashanites at Moses Mercy, and Jesus who Gave the Israelites possesion of the Bashanites Land, And Twas Jesus Who Sent his son, Jesus, Down to Earth to meet the Human Animal And Be Crucified?

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Something to keep in mind, especially concerning the post that Encountering Gremlins forwarded into this discussion, is that a) much of those old hymns ARE by Bach and co. and b) back then, pretty much ALL music was written for the Church, because the Church was the State, and if you weren't Christian, you were killed. Now, I'm not saying Bach or any of them were forced into writing music for a belief they themselves didn't profess; history obviously shows us that they were all devout Christians. Just saying to consider the quantity, importance, and popularity of any secular music back then as opposed to today...it was very obviously much different. (Well, at least it's obvious if you've taken four semesters of music history like I have...><)

Also, why does so much of popular music today suck when compared to Bach or Hadyn (the "popular" music of their era) or even to popular music of the 1970s and 60s? One main reason: Because people in earlier times--even just a few decades ago--were popular because their music was good, not because they were sex symbols. And their music was good because they were writing music for the sake of music instead of for the sake of profit. There's a HUGE difference between getting paid to make music and making music to get paid. And any music that tries to model itself after a style established by the latter is most likely not going to do as well itself.

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The meaning of life is 'bucket.'

FOR PONY!!!

I don't even see how "Christian music" is a genre. It's just songs that are about a specific subject. Christian songs can be any genre - pop, rock, ska, yes even death metal. It'd be like saying "songs about dating" are their own group distinct from songs with the same musical style that are not about dating.

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Yeah, but that was intended more as a pun ("beat" + "beetle" = "beatle", geddit?). Besides, "inkubbus" would be pronounced completely differently from "incubus"...I think "incubus" is pronounced "IN-cue-bus", while "inkubbus" would be pronounced "IN-cub-bus" or something like that.

Toastpaint.

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I know... I was just saying I'm not putting a band down because of the way their name is spelled, just to make it clear that the "band that failed spelling" thing was a joke..

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Chrisitian music, fine by me.
Christian rock. That gets a big W-T-F! I have no complaints about it, only confusion. I myself can't stand listening to Christain music, because they all seem to sound the same. And have the same subject matter.

Is Lamb of God christian music?

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TIRES TIRES TIRES

No, that was God. Jesus wasn't sent until the Roman census. But God, Jesus, & the Holy Spirit are all one body, 3 in one.

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First of all, Enigma isn't a Christian band. By any means or stretch. Listen to Silent Warrior or read this article: http://www.enigmamusic.com/reviews/biography.html

Anyway. Back to the topic I much prefer more "traditional" Christian music, because...it's better. There's not much more to say.

If anyone says this, slap them. Slap them while wearing a ring on.

The thing is... I've never liked christian music. It's kind of been bland to me. It doesn't vary in subject matter...

The awards shows are funny! The bands always say they are trying to get to those who don't know Jesus.

Yeah... thats right. I never heard of jesus until your crappy song came out.

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I just don't like most christian music. It sounds bad to me. Maybe I'm biased, since I have been dragged to many a local christian rock show and they're all so very... emo. *jibblies*

That said, my good friend's brother and another good friend of mine are guitarists for christian rock groups. These are some really amazing people who I love to death.

But I'm going to quote King Of The Hill on this one...

"can't you see you're not making jesus better, you're just making rock and roll worse."

I do like Five Iron Frenzy Though. They're just good.

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