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I've always thought that affirmative action bred racism, not eliminate it. It tells people that minorities are inferior and that they aren't good enough to get by on their own merits.
At least that's the attitude several of my black friends have of it. I kinda thought the same thing, too; that it'll perpetuate the stereotypes of minorities only wanting hand outs, which will do anything but level the playing field.

I've always thought that equality should mean just that, equality. How is forcing employeers and/or schools to pick people that might be less qualified, just to fill some quota, equality? I say employeers should pick the best person for the job. Period. I don't care if my coworkers are gay, straight, transexual, tall, short, white, black, blue, green, or whatever. All I care about is "can they do the job?".. That should be all that matters.

Of course, you're going to tell me I'm wrong and that, as a straight, white, christian male, age 18-35, I've commited some horrible wrong against anyone that isn't exactly like me...

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As dodgy as affirmative action can be, that's one of the stupidest reasons for disliking it I've heard. I think it's great minorities get an extra boost. It's to make up for all the down pushes they get elsewhere which can't be solved as easily.

If you don't want affirmitive action, don't give people reason to have it. You have defended many forms of bigotry in the past and defended ideals that are harmful to minorities. As long as you do that, you've no right to complain about affirmative action.

Discrimination is generally exclusive rather than inclusive anyway.

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For example? How about you back that up with some solid facts?



That's crap. You have recently assumed that I defend racism, but as I clearly stated, I do not. There is no evidence proving otherwise.

If it helps any, I'm a minority (Arab-American. I'm so much of a minority that it isn't even listed on forms and I have to choose "Other".) and I'm thoroughly opposed to affirmative action.

My life, nazi.

I also happened to have beaten the competition in the aptitude test for the job in the first place, but still... that's not the point. I have proven to be the best candidate (having looked over someone's shoulder at their resume for other jobs I've had to apply for), and mildly eavesdroped on the interview from the chair I was sitting. His vernacular was filled with uh's and uhm's.... unassertiveness... Having taken speech and debate for quite a long time, I happened to think he would not have received a passing grade on it.

Next, it was my turn. And no, I wasn't wearing my "normal" clothing. I wore normal clothing (and I even took out my two little earrings for extra insurance.) I felt I did a fair job at the interview, since I only said uh about 3 times (I have a tendency to count, in my head, how many times I fill space with uh's and uhm's during presentations.)

I went there to check on the application a couple of days later (having already checked it the next day after the interview)... and they hired that person, even though I was more qualified.

If anyone can provide an example of another country with a problem as big as the US in denying people of other race's jobs... I'd like to see it because I've looked for quite some time... but to no avail. I just want to see what the rest of the world is like.

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I love the sweet smell of vicimization in the morning.

Why are you so certain it was your race that prevented you from getting the job? I haven't been hired at every job I've applied for, but I don't have the "I'm a minority" excuse to fall back on, so I'm assuming that it's because I didn't meet the company's needs in one way or another.

Try reading my "Personal Responsibility" post.

I'm not going to speak for lahimatoa here, but when I have "defended many forms of bigotry", I am not defending the ideas of the bigots. Many, if not all of those ideas and beliefs disgust me. I AM defending their right to have those ideas..
If people want to be stupid, let them. Those are words, and words don't hurt people. If the bigots put those words into action, I will be the first to speak out against them, but, so long as it's all talk. I don't think it really matters. The KKK, for example are full of hot air. Go to a rally and actually listen to them. It's hillarious. The only thing funnier are the protesters that show up at the rallies.
Like I said, they're wrong, but they have a right to be wrong. I don't want someone to tell me what I can say/believe, so I have absolutely no right to do the same to them.

It's simple, but, just to clarify: Someone saying "I hate black/gay/jewish/etc people because they are black/gay/jewish/etc...", wrong, but ok..
Someone going around commiting acts of violence against blacks/gays/jews/etc., wrong and not ok.

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I already took it... but I later thought about it... nepotism actually helped motivate it.

I found out that little bugger was related to the supervisor to some degree...

But still, nepotism is what keeps people from work. So does race. I've known people who haven't gotten hired at certain places due to their race, gender, or both. Affirmative Action is meant to help women as well.

I have a female friend who couldn't get a particular job... actually at a landscaping firm, even though she was in perfect condition for the work and willing to work full time... some guy got hired at only part time. It looks like that supervisor went out of his way not to hire a woman. If he only hired a part timer, then that would leave a lot of the work on the supervisor. So, I guess he'd rather go through that stress than sacrifice his masculinity.

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Words do hurt people, more than actions. You can hit a guy in a face, or you can find ways of tricking every guy into thinking that he slept with their wivee. Words are exactly why homophobia is rampant, not actions.

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The wounds caused by words often are more scarring than those by a fist.

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If the pen is mightier than the sword, then the verbal blow is mightier than the physical one.

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err..... what does this have to do with Interracial relationships?

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EXTREME TOAST PAINT!!!

I've never been in an interracial relationship, mostly because I only know girls of other races as friends or classmates. That doesn't mean that I'll never date a Latina or an Asian or an African-American girl, though. I do have a crush on a couple girls, one of whom is "mixed"; she's very pretty, smart, and a very talented actress. It doesn't matter what color her skin is; it's what her heart looks like, and that's what we should look for in a partner. It may be someone who's the same race as you, or another one. Why should it matter? It's all in the heart, and what you believe to be right in life.

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There is one thing I'll say on this, I'd love to date a black girl I think they can be very exotic and pretty.

But whenever I flick through MySpace like places looking for friends - they nearly always put down their interests as "Rap" and even more common "R'N'B". Nearly every single one of them. I think this is really stupid as I usually need to have some level of musical interest shared with close friends and such and I don't know why people stereotype themselves like that. It's really upsetting.

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That's the kind of music they tend to listen to; I happen to know a few African-American girls who listen to rock, but I also know white girls who listen to hip-hop.

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How are they stereotyping themselves?
They like the music they like.

Music is music, it says little about the person that listens to it, otherwise, nobody could EVERY figure ANYTHING out about me..

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If you can't fix it with a hammer, you have an electrical problem.

No, they don't. The colour of your skin doesn't affect the person inside so that's completely impossible. They like what they believe they should like.

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And how is it you know for a fact that they don't actually like it? Are you psychic?

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So, since I'm white, I'm supposed to listen to heavy metal & country? Yeehaw.

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No, I'm just familiar with the concepts of basic probability. Considering that the colour of your skin doesn't affect your brain in any particular way that would lend itself to music, and the fact that most black girls seem to listen to R&B, there has to be some other factor. They can't just ALL "like" it.

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Well, virtually all of them listen to "urban" music. If you're so concerned about their musical tastes, why don't you take them to an Inkubbus Succubus show?

BTW, I know black "goth" girls at my school.

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I'll tell you, I only like DEVO because I was told by society to like it after seeing the segment on Whip It on "I Love the 80's," not because I actually, you know, think they sound good.

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Your justification has lot to do with marketing and advertizing. Just because something is marketed a certain way does not mean a certain group of people are going to like it. AFI and Marilyn Manson are touted as a goth bands by advertizers and the media, and every one of my friends (goth or not) friggin hates them and calls them posers. It is one of my major peeves to have people assume I like Manson...

Plus, you can't determine what music people listen to by race... it's racist in itself to do so. It is all up to personal preference.



I've met a few. They're really cool.

Inkubbus Succubus... kind of funny you are all mentioning this band, yet most of you haven't even heard of them or heard them. I happened to be very fond of them. The lead singer has a beautiful voice. Soft, yet has a certain attack to it.

Enjoy

But... Toastpaint.

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Whoa. That's pretty cool. Umm...double toastpaint.

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My view on inter-racial relationships is the same as my view on gay or lesbian relationships. It doesn't affect me either way, so why should I care? If a white man and a black woman, or an asian woman, or a black man and an asian woman, or any combination of races are in a relationship, why should I try and judge them by telling them "It's immoral" or "That's wrong,"? I have no right to do that, and should mind my own business. Which is what I do.

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What's my stance on inter-racial relationships? Exactly the same as my stance on relationships between people with different coloured hair. It isn't an issue with me at all.

I actually reckon that biracial people are generally among the most attractive people on the planet.

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"Quick, let's get outta here before they bring him back!"

I agree. Look at Halley Berry. And one of my best friends is biracial, and I think she's beautiful.

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I think it's kinda sad we're still labeling relationships by the ethnicities of those involved. I, personally, couldn't care less of the ethnicity of the guys and girls I date, although I can safely say I'll never date a muslim guy again (but that's religion, not race). That was an unpleasant three weeks.

Anyway, I third the motion of biracial people being exceoptionally beautiful. I don't even know WHY this is, but everyone I meet that considers themselves biracial is drop-dead gorgeous. Lucky little so-and-so grumble grumble...

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The Mu is NOT dead!

I've got absolutely no problem with inter-racial relationships at all. True love can't be divided by something as silly as differing race, IMO. I haven't been in any myself, but my best friend certainly has. He dated a black girl for a couple months (who was one of the friendliest people I've had the pleasure of meeting in the last year or two), and his sister has been married to a black guy for awhile now. I'm not sure how my friend's mom feels about this issue, but hopefully she's perfectly okay with it.