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Well I urge in future that you read my posts, even ones which are outdated, before you reply. I never said what your religion did was wrong. I said that it was only your facet of it and you didn't convert the holiday as a whole. And you SHOULD care about those nutty pagans because you wouldn't have a christmas if you didn't.

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I don't believe there is a choice here. It is a fact. I watched "Christmas Unwrapped" on the History Channel, and they did a very good job covering the history on how this holiday is celebrated in it's modern context.

In fact, the Church of England actually barred it's celebration for not being Christian enough. If you look at Christmas from an objective and neutral standpoint, you can see that the timing of the holiday of Christmas was integrated to coincide with the Pagan traditions.

Nobody knows when christ was "truly born," so the early Christians decided to use the timing of those pagan traditions (such as Yule) to egg people into converting.



Kind of hard to put Christ back into something that Christ had little do to with in the first place.

Sure it may be celebrated as the day of your Saviour's birth, but it is not where the holiday came from. Face it, it's true.

Now since this arguement was not the true purpose of this thread...

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Look, I don't see what's so hard about this. The purpose of the holiday that I celebrate, the true meaning of the Christmas that I have, is Jesus. I don't frankly CARE about where the roots of the common thoughts of Christmas came from. My celebration revolves around Jesus. THERE IS NO NEED TO ARGUE THIS SINCE THE ENTIRE POINT IS OPINIONATED, AND THUS MOOT.

So, stop.

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Well, we always have a big seafood dinner on Christmas Eve. This one was SO GOOD! We had shrimp, snow crab, crabcakes, and hush puppies.Yum!

P.S. Teff, what in the world does MOOT mean? Is it supposed to be like mute?

I think "moot" means unnecessary, or like a final decision (i.e. "this point is moot).

I'm just hoping I used it correctly.

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Well you damn well should as it's the same bloody holiday, whether or not you celebrate the birth of jesus both the date and celebrations/traditions come from pagans and I'm taking that as a huge mark of disrespect from now on. I'm sick of a select few X-ians online and off acting out of utter disrespect for other religions but claiming it's okay for some technicality or another. I think it's time to stop claiming you get on with other religions, and actually make good on it.

Good day.

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CR. I'm sincerely trying to say this as nicely as possible, but if you want TEF or anyone else to respect you, then you need to throw some respect back our way. Yes - you have a right to acknowledge the traditions and follow a certain line of thinking as you please, but so do we. To TEF, and many other Christians (myself included), Christmas = Christ. To you and others, it does not. Agree to disagree. Yes, Christmas traditions DO have their roots in Paganism. We can't change that, only acknowledge it. However, Christmas itself WAS created by Christians with the intention of celebrating Christ's birth. Yule is the Pagan celebration. Granted, there were other reasons, such as the ones you've mentioned about converting pagans to Christianity, and many of the traditions and practices come from Pagan traditions. But on a modern scale, most Christians use it to celebrate Jesus Christ's birth. As I said before, you don't have to agree with us, we're just asking you to allow us to celebrate the holiday as we wish, just as we should do for you.

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My family and I have only one tradition that pops into my mind. For some reason, everyone in the family waits to look at the tree (on Christmas morning) with all it's presents beneath it until the WHOLE family is ready to see it. Nobody goes into the living room on Christmas morning (save my parents if they put out any "Santa presents" for my nephew) without everyone else there.

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When wasn't I doing that? I began correcting TEF. I wasn't showing a lack of respect, just correcting him on something. Then he showed a lack of respect. Plus, I'm not the one trying desperately to ignore history here.

I'm sorry, but if reinforcing fact and history is a "Lack of respect", then I'd rather be dis"respect"ful.

Yes - you have a right to acknowledge the traditions and follow a certain line of thinking as you please, but so do we.

But it's not "equal means, equal ends". The truth is that Christmas started out as a Pagan, and not Christian, celebration that had a couple of words tip ex'd out and written over.

You have to acknowledge that it began as pagan tradition becuase well, it did. If you fight history I find it very hard to respect your "beliefs". I want Christians to come to terms, for once, with the fact that paganism did and still does a lot of good for the world instead of using the pathetic "Well we respect them of course but we still *Really* hate everything they stand for" malarky that's so obviously on the tip of their tounges. I'm tired of X-ians running away from things other religions did for them that their ancestors tried to destroy.



I said that it's perfectly fine. The problem is that he says she doesn't give a crap what the Pagans did even though there wouldn't be a christmas without them. I find that extremely crude and offensive and I think you're trying too hard to defend him.



Why would you want to change it?

This is actually completely and utterly historically incorrect, as I'm sure DeathlyPallor can show you. Christmas was just a "painting over" of Yule and Saturnalia. All they did was change the name and the God whose birth was celebrated.

Christmas wasn't "created" with the intent to celebrate the birth of christ, it was hijacked in order to get people to convert.

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(Skee, I read something and just thought that I'd post that I think it is to celebrate Jesus's birth, and I'm not your religon)

Anyways, either we go to Ohio sometime around Christmas for X-Mas with our closest extended family, or they come here.

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