Inter-racial Relationships.

Hi Guys · **Posted:** Fri Dec 02, 2005 11:27 pm

KISS-Cringle 66 wrote:

Rosalie wrote:

Hi Christmas wrote:

Perhaps I should explain how this situation started. My two youth group leaders (husband and wife) were taking their 3-year-old son to McDonald's. He got his happy meal and inside was a black doll. Being the imagination-filled child that he is, he was pretending to "save his girlfriend". At which point my youth group leader (let's call him "Jay"...because that's his name) told him that white people should only date white people and black people should only date black people. Do you see how messed up that is? A son that young has such a respect for his father that he's going to take that into his social life. (On a side note, his wife has the same opinion on this as I do.)

Report him. Have him fired.

You can't have someone fired over their beliefs. That's like firing someone for not supporting gay marriage or something. That's just asking to be sued.

Yeah. I mean, I still respect him even though I disagree with him. That, and I don't think he gets paid for it...

ed 'lim' smilde · **Posted:** Fri Dec 02, 2005 11:34 pm

Hi Christmas wrote:

Being the imagination-filled child that he is, he was pretending to "save his girlfriend". At which point my youth group leader (let's call him "Jay"...because that's his name) told him that white people should only date white people and black people should only date black people. Do you see how messed up that is?

Yeah, that's bad; he's basically raising his son to be racist...

Mistle Rose · **Joined:** Wed Nov 09, 2005 7:47 pm **Posts:** 434

KISS-Cringle 66 wrote:

Rosalie wrote:

Hi Christmas wrote:

Perhaps I should explain how this situation started. My two youth group leaders (husband and wife) were taking their 3-year-old son to McDonald's. He got his happy meal and inside was a black doll. Being the imagination-filled child that he is, he was pretending to "save his girlfriend". At which point my youth group leader (let's call him "Jay"...because that's his name) told him that white people should only date white people and black people should only date black people. Do you see how messed up that is? A son that young has such a respect for his father that he's going to take that into his social life. (On a side note, his wife has the same opinion on this as I do.)

Report him. Have him fired.

You can't have someone fired over their beliefs. That's like firing someone for not supporting gay marriage or something. That's just asking to be sued.

Like I said to Didymus, but far more imperative, it's not his racism(though even for that he should be exampled in some way, Christians have enough bad rep these days) but the fact that he's raising his kid to be a racist.

That isn't his beliefs, that's an action. It's wrong, and he should be discouraged. It goes against the teachings of Jesus, who was a decent bloke in my opinion, and therefore he should be told that he can't do that.

Mr.KISS · **Posted:** Fri Dec 02, 2005 11:55 pm

I'm not saying anything about him being good or anything, and I dont agree with him raising his kid that way. But it's his choice. Just like it's your choice to use the internet or eat the kind of food you like. I agree this should be discouraged, but it's his choice.

Mistle Rose · **Joined:** Wed Nov 09, 2005 7:47 pm **Posts:** 434

KISS-Cringle 66 wrote:

I'm not saying anything about him being good or anything, and I dont agree with him raising his kid that way. But it's his choice. Just like it's your choice to use the internet or eat the kind of food you like. I agree this should be discouraged, but it's his choice.

No, it's not just "His choice".

It's not comparable to me chosing something to eat. It's more like forcing my kid to eat unhealthy foods just because I want him to eat the same stuff as me.

Mr.KISS · **Posted:** Sat Dec 03, 2005 12:26 am

Rosalie wrote:

It's more like forcing my kid to eat unhealthy foods just because I want him to eat the same stuff as me.

..And that would be your choice. It may not be good for the kid (actually in that example it would actually hurt the kid). If this kids parent is so religeous, chances are they will also be religeous (saying he won't will completly contradict youargument, please don't). And if he is (and by your logic definatly will be) religeous, then eventually this kid is going to crack open a bible and see that his parent was wrong.

Mistle Rose · **Joined:** Wed Nov 09, 2005 7:47 pm **Posts:** 434

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..And that would be your choice.

No, it would be wrong. That's like saying that killing someone would be okay because it's "My Choice". You're really not making sense here.

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It may not be good for the kid (actually in that example it would actually hurt the kid). If this kids parent is so religeous, chances are they will also be religeous (saying he won't will completly contradict youargument, please don't). And if he is (and by your logic definatly will be) religeous, then eventually this kid is going to crack open a bible and see that his parent was wrong.

That's a massive presumption. Before you make that kind of presumption, you have to look at immediate facts; in this case being that an impressionable child is being raised a racist, and that many people in America simply take these values as given and never open up a bible, or "Interpret" it wrongly.

Mr.KISS · **Posted:** Sat Dec 03, 2005 12:47 am

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No, it would be wrong. That's like saying that killing someone would be okay because it's "My Choice". You're really not making sense here.

No, you're the one not making sense here. You completly take my arguments out of context and make it seem like choosing to eat and choosing to KILL are on the same level. Raising a child to believe that two people from different origins is wrong isn't hurting anyone. Unless you did such a bad job parenting that the kid thinks they can just go off and kill all inter-ratial families. I dont support it, but I do support freedom in every aspect.

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in this case being that an impressionable child is being raised a racist, and that many people in America simply take these values as given and never open up a bible, or "Interpret" it wrongly.

Well, if you had read my argument, we've already gone over that if the kid comes from a religeous family that, by the logic currently in use, he will be able to correctly interpret the readings.

Hi Guys · **Posted:** Sat Dec 03, 2005 12:55 am

KISS-Cringle 66 wrote:

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No, it would be wrong. That's like saying that killing someone would be okay because it's "My Choice". You're really not making sense here.

No, you're the one not making sense here. You completly take my arguments out of context and make it seem like choosing to eat and choosing to KILL are on the same level. Raising a child to believe that two people from different origins is wrong isn't hurting anyone. Unless you did such a bad job parenting that the kid thinks they can just go off and kill all inter-ratial families. I dont support it, but I do support freedom in every aspect.

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in this case being that an impressionable child is being raised a racist, and that many people in America simply take these values as given and never open up a bible, or "Interpret" it wrongly.

Well, if you had read my argument, we've already gone over that if the kid comes from a religeous family that, by the logic currently in use, he will be able to correctly interpret the readings.

I think what my boy here is trying to say, is that even though we may disagree with people's parenting, we can't stop them if it's not illegal.

Mr.KISS · **Posted:** Sat Dec 03, 2005 12:57 am

Hi Christmas wrote:

KISS-Cringle 66 wrote:

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No, it would be wrong. That's like saying that killing someone would be okay because it's "My Choice". You're really not making sense here.

No, you're the one not making sense here. You completly take my arguments out of context and make it seem like choosing to eat and choosing to KILL are on the same level. Raising a child to believe that two people from different origins is wrong isn't hurting anyone. Unless you did such a bad job parenting that the kid thinks they can just go off and kill all inter-ratial families. I dont support it, but I do support freedom in every aspect.

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in this case being that an impressionable child is being raised a racist, and that many people in America simply take these values as given and never open up a bible, or "Interpret" it wrongly.

Well, if you had read my argument, we've already gone over that if the kid comes from a religeous family that, by the logic currently in use, he will be able to correctly interpret the readings.

I think what my boy here is trying to say, is that even though we may disagree with people's parenting, we can't stop them if it's not illegal.

Thank you! That's a much better way of saying it then what I had (even though it still doesn't completly describe what I'm thinking).

On an unrelated note; 666th post!OoOoOoOo! scary!

Choc-o-Lardiac Arrest · **Posted:** Sat Dec 03, 2005 1:21 am

Rosalie wrote:

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..And that would be your choice.

No, it would be wrong. That's like saying that killing someone would be okay because it's "My Choice". You're really not making sense here.

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It may not be good for the kid (actually in that example it would actually hurt the kid). If this kids parent is so religeous, chances are they will also be religeous (saying he won't will completly contradict youargument, please don't). And if he is (and by your logic definatly will be) religeous, then eventually this kid is going to crack open a bible and see that his parent was wrong.

That's a massive presumption. Before you make that kind of presumption, you have to look at immediate facts; in this case being that an impressionable child is being raised a racist, and that many people in America simply take these values as given and never open up a bible, or "Interpret" it wrongly.

Can you be my Lawyer? ive gotten into some...trouble... and i wanna find a way to pin this on teachers telling me its allright to do.

every thing should just be like Heaven, err.... The Astral Plane. Perfect.

Clever Danielle · **Posted:** Sat Dec 03, 2005 1:27 am

I didn't bother to read this whole thread, but let me say this: I am the result of an inter-racial marriage. And, no, it didn't work out, but that's not because of the racial issues (well, maybe more by problems caused by the racial issues), it's because the two people decided they didn't love each other anymore. I'm personally all for any kind of relationships, as long as the people involved are happy with what's going on. It shouldn't really matter what anybody else has to say about it.

Mistle Rose · **Joined:** Wed Nov 09, 2005 7:47 pm **Posts:** 434

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Raising a child to believe that two people from different origins is wrong isn't hurting anyone.

Um, yes it is. Black people, for a start. His son, if he ever falls in love with a black girl, which is likely.

You heard it here first folks, Racism DOESN'T Hurt anyone.

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I dont support it, but I do support freedom in every aspect.

That's a lie. Support the Freedom to remove the freedom of others and you amy as well support nothing in the first place.

Jitka · **Posted:** Sat Dec 03, 2005 2:42 am

With the exception of a few incidents, racism doesn't really deny anyone their rights anymore. Not since the civil rights movement. It's more like a benign cancer on society than a malignant one.

Of course, racism like this guy is promoting is an idiotic and antiquated point of view, but you have to respect his right to hold his own beliefs. Remember what Voltaire said.

Voltaire wrote:

Think for yourselves and let others enjoy the privilege to do so too.

He's an idiot, but it's his right to be an idiot. Hopefully his kid will learn from his mother and from other sources not to listen to his father on this issue.

Just saying. I think interracial relationships are perfectly fine, like any relationship between two adults who are mature enough to love each other.

Sui · **Joined:** Sun Oct 24, 2004 10:17 pm **Posts:** 396

KISS-Cringle 66 wrote:

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No, it would be wrong. That's like saying that killing someone would be okay because it's "My Choice". You're really not making sense here.

No, you're the one not making sense here. You completly take my arguments out of context and make it seem like choosing to eat and choosing to KILL are on the same level. Raising a child to believe that two people from different origins is wrong isn't hurting anyone. Unless you did such a bad job parenting that the kid thinks they can just go off and kill all inter-ratial families. I dont support it, but I do support freedom in every aspect.

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in this case being that an impressionable child is being raised a racist, and that many people in America simply take these values as given and never open up a bible, or "Interpret" it wrongly.

Well, if you had read my argument, we've already gone over that if the kid comes from a religeous family that, by the logic currently in use, he will be able to correctly interpret the readings.

Uh, no, you just stated exactly what she countered. Another flaw in your argument... "by the logic currently in use"... parental influence can have a very strong power over what most should be able to understand as logic-you know that, right? You DID know that a child can be made to act illogically and stupidly if told that it's the right thing by their parent's example? Yes, I'm pretty sure you knew that logic didn't always play into it, because I know you're a really smart guy.

XD Think again! A parent's influence can act entirely against common sense, or even explainable decisions. Here's a perfect example.

"the girls aren't espousing their own opinions but ones they're being taught." A child being taught racist beliefs doesn't think for themself-seeing as they don't do the thinking, just WHERE do you expect them to hit upon logic? When do you expect them to stop and think, "Huh. Is this really right? Maybe I should consult the Bible." Seeing as they don't have any logic to them, they're not going to doubt it.

Mistle Rose · **Joined:** Wed Nov 09, 2005 7:47 pm **Posts:** 434

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Lynx and Lamb have been nurtured on racist beliefs since birth by their mother April. "They need to have the background to understand why certain things are happening," said April, a stay-at-home mom who no longer lives with the twins' father. "I'm going to give them, give them my opinion just like any, any parent would."

This is exactly what you're saying, Kiss. It shocked me how exact her defense was to the one you're giving, and even similiar to the one Didymus and co. give to defend what he does.

The Noid · **Posted:** Sat Dec 03, 2005 1:17 pm

First of all, I'd like to comment again.

I was going to post that racist twin thing in a big post about loco parentis.

Loco Parentis, for those who don't know, simply means something along the lines of a parents methods for teaching their child. So, him teaching his child to be a racist, is loco parentis. Is it illegal? No. Is it wrong? On all levels, yes.

At least the mother has common sense. You mentioned she doesn't like what the father is doing. She can save the kid, and if the kid is any smart, well, he'll proabably know the right way.

Hi Guys · **Posted:** Sat Dec 03, 2005 4:54 pm

The Groid wrote:

First of all, I'd like to comment again.

I was going to post that racist twin thing in a big post about loco parentis.

Loco Parentis, for those who don't know, simply means something along the lines of a parents methods for teaching their child. So, him teaching his child to be a racist, is loco parentis. Is it illegal? No. Is it wrong? On all levels, yes.

At least the mother has common sense. You mentioned she doesn't like what the father is doing. She can save the kid, and if the kid is any smart, well, he'll proabably know the right way.

Word. Just you cuz you don't like it, doesn't mean you can do anything about it.

celticbrewer · **Joined:** Fri Jan 06, 2006 6:15 pm **Posts:** 15

meh, interracial dating (while it did happen) was never ever at the numbers it is today. When I was in high school (which wasn't too long ago), it was pretty much zero- and I lived in a pretty multi-ethnic city.

It's only when the media started putting interracial couples on tv and in movies that there was some huge surge in the trend.

And yes, I'm calling it a trend because that's what it is- trendy. Oh, look at me, I'm a little skinny white girl with some gangster black boyfriend. I'm sooo cool just like that skank I saw on Mtv.

It absolutely disgusts me that people are giving up their morals and bodies for popularity. Do I have something against a black person and white person who love each other and want to be together?- absolutely not! That goes for gays, too. Be together, Be happy, You have my blessing!! But for all those kids who are doing it to be cool- I despise you!

Occasional JD · **Posted:** Fri Jan 06, 2006 8:28 pm

Hi Guys wrote:

ramrod wrote:

InterruptorJones wrote:

Hi Christmas wrote:

Ok, so recently, I found out that our church's youth group leader was against inter-racial relationships, to which I was all like, "...". And that lead me to thinking. What do you guys think about it?

I think your church's youth group leader should be fired, and perhaps put in the stocks. People like him (her?) are why a) Christians have such a bad rep, and b) racism is still alive and kicking in the U.S.

IJ, I couldn't agree with you more. I mean, who am I to say who can date who. If they're truely in love, nothing should stop them, not race, not religion, not family, nothing. With the exception of the extreme cases (such as a 27 year old guy and 14 year old girl).

He never exactly said he was against it . He just said he didn't want his son doing it. Which still kind of makes him look like a crap hat.

This one brought back memories.

My cousin is dating an Indian fella, and in the middle of conversation, my aunt says, "I don't want any black babies, Holly."

The whole table froze and just looked her for a bit.
The worst thing is, she doesn't realise she's a racist.

Kittie Rose · **Joined:** Thu Dec 22, 2005 7:24 pm **Posts:** 544

Any Elder who talks about what they "don't want" is generally an idiot, anyway.

Occasional JD · **Posted:** Fri Jan 06, 2006 8:37 pm

Kitty Rose wrote:

Any Elder who talks about what they "don't want" is general an idiot, anyway.

Here, here!

Mr.KISS · **Posted:** Fri Jan 06, 2006 10:31 pm

Ok, so I read Sui' post and I'm too tired to really go through it, but if I was being stupid back there, it's because I was frustrated with Rose at the time, I really just wanted to fight with her, sorry.

ascheuer · **Joined:** Sun Jan 08, 2006 5:13 am **Posts:** 1

I found something in the Bible that some people might use to say that inter-racial relationships are wrong:
"You shall not intermarry with them [foreigners]; you shall not give your daughters to their sons, nor shall you take their daughters for your sons. For they will turn your sons away from following Me to serve other gods; then the anger of the LORD will be kindled against you and He will quickly destroy you."
Deuteronomy 7:3-4 (NASB)

When this was written, non-Israelites basically all worshipped other gods. So I think this is showing the danger of marrying someone with a different religion and set of values. It has nothing to do with skin colour. (Maybe these different nations even had the same skin colour.) And in the book of Ruth, there's an inter-racial marriage, but before Ruth (from Moab) even met her future husband Boaz (from Israel) she said Israel's God would be her God.

So as a Christian, I have no problem with inter-racial relationships (although I agree that cultural differences can sometimes cause problems).

DeathlyPallor · **Posted:** Sun Jan 08, 2006 11:06 am

About that counselor, have him taken out. He's preaching hatred in a place that it shant be taught.

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although I agree that cultural differences can sometimes cause problems

I apologize for any crassness, but people intolerant of inter-racial marriage and dating honestly make me angry beyond all belief.

If they have known eachother long, it isn't an issue. If people love eachother, that is all that matters.

What I find funny is that my fiancée is of Polish descent, and I'm of Spanish descent (that's Spain in Europe, people... too many people mix it up with something else)... and some people consider that interracial, though I never saw it as one since I'm as European as she is... go figure...Whether it is or isn't in someone's eyes shouldn't matter and doesn't matter to me... I love her and she loves me.

Anyone who disagrees with me should put their hood back on and go to their weekly cross-burning.

I'm sorry, people intolerant of it just sicken me beyond all measure. I would seriously love to put a racist in the hospital...there is no reason for it to exist.

Racism and disagreeing with inter-racial couples is outdated and should not have even existed in a nation of immigrants in the first place.

Furthermore, a racist's opinion does not matter to me... they are subhuman filth who should exercise their right to be idiots far away from me if they don't want to have my size 10 steel toed 20 eyelet boot lovingly placed within the confines of their posterior.

The Pallor Has Spoken.

Kittie Rose · **Joined:** Thu Dec 22, 2005 7:24 pm **Posts:** 544

Mr.KISS wrote:

Ok, so I read Sui' post and I'm too tired to really go through it, but if I was being stupid back there, it's because I was frustrated with Rose at the time, I really just wanted to fight with her, sorry.

>:|

lahimatoa · **Posted:** Tue Jan 10, 2006 6:29 pm

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I'm sorry, people intolerant of it just sicken me beyond all measure. I would seriously love to put a racist in the hospital...there is no reason for it to exist.

So you're tolerant of everything but what you disagree with? That's a lot to be intolerant about... you may want to take a closer look what defines you.

Classic liberal line of thought.

Kittie Rose · **Joined:** Thu Dec 22, 2005 7:24 pm **Posts:** 544

lahimatoa wrote:

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I'm sorry, people intolerant of it just sicken me beyond all measure. I would seriously love to put a racist in the hospital...there is no reason for it to exist.

So you're tolerant of everything but what you disagree with? That's a lot to be intolerant about... you may want to take a closer look what defines you.

Classic liberal line of thought.

Classic conservative line of thought, there's no right and no wrong, just "agree" and "disagree", even though that's blatantly not what you believe in anyway.

Choc-o-Lardiac Arrest · **Posted:** Tue Jan 10, 2006 11:18 pm

you know... im mexican, and im going out with this German girl, and im not sure what her parents are gonna say or think........
it just really scares me...... err...... yeah.

StrongCanada · **Posted:** Tue Jan 10, 2006 11:37 pm

Choc-o-Lardiac Arrest wrote:

you know... im mexican, and im going out with this German girl, and im not sure what her parents are gonna say or think........
it just really scares me...... err...... yeah.

Just show her parents how nicely you treat her (which I'm assuming you treat her nicely) and hopefully, they'll be kind enough to be cool with the relationship.

Toastpaint - I don't have a problem with interracial relationships. I'll be the first to admit that I've never had any...does this mean I'm racist? I hope not.

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