Homerun Starrer wrote:
What bothers me is when they try to force their opinons on those of us who couldn't care less about tournaments and then act butthurt when we get mad.
But no one's trying to force their way of playing Smash on you, unless you have some jerk friends in real life or something. Or if you actually go visit a tournament, but really, that'd be your own choice and you should expect to have to follow whatever rules they set.
Acekirby wrote:
True dat. It also bothers me when tourney-only players look down upon Casuals because we: 1, don't wavedash (which is a pointless thing to do IMO); 2, play with items; 3, play on "broken" stages like Temple.
It doesn't make you better because you know these "advanced" strategies and beat people without items. True enough items can be random, but isn't there just as much chance that you'd get the beam sword as someone else? Items add a whole new dimension of strategy and timing to the game. Not using items doesn't inherently make you better, stop acting like it does.
Yes, it's true that not playing with items or on "broken" stages does not make you a better fighter. A total loser could play by those rules and wouldn't be any better at the game. So yeah, anyone who claims their better because they follow tourny rules deserves a punch in face.
However, and I mean this with no disrespect, but it's denial to think that you'd be a better Smash fighter (in regards to winning) than a regular tournament goer. The advanced techniques (just because you don't see their uses doesn't mean they don't have any), toned reflexes, high knowledge of the game and tons of practice would give them an upper hand in a fight.
And these skills don't exist simply because of a lack of items or crazy stages, you make it sound like if you dropped a tournament winner on Brinstar Depths with items he'd suddenly lose all his skills. This just simply isn't the case, strategies and techniques would still carry over, and just because they choose to not play one way doesn't mean they're completely unable to adapt.
This doesn't mean that casuals are inferior as far as players go, as they simply play at a different level. But you have to admit that without putting a lot of practice and effort into learning the game, you wouldn't really be able to win most of the fights against someone who has, just like with any other competitive game or sport. However, as a "casual", winning against players like that shouldn't be your goal, and this shouldn't bother you.
And while this is addressed to you, it applies to me as well. As much fun as I have playing seriously with my friends (sometimes without items on Final Destination), I have no tournament experience and looking at YouTube videos I know I wouldn't hold up in a real tourney. Personally I'm hoping Brawl's online will help me in this aspect.
Acekirby wrote:
(BTW Josh I'm not specifically targeting you, but most of the "Advanced" players who feel the need to look down on Casuals as inferior and that they don't play the game right)
Heh heh, I'd hope not. I just finished a play session with most items on, with full random stages and mostly random characters. I play "casually" all the time.
And if you have friends who are at your level at Smash, I'd suggest playing some itemless rounds on levels like Final Destination just to experience a fight focused solely on the fighters themselves, rather than the stage or items. Who knows, you may like playing Smash a slightly different way.
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