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| Author: | Schmelen [ Fri Jun 16, 2006 10:38 am ] |
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Didymus wrote: Captain Shazbot wrote: If there's one thing I've learned over my extensive time on the internet, is that a comparison to Hitler or Nazi's is a sign that the post has nothing else left. Therefore, in accordance with the law, this thread is now over, and whoever brought up Hitler has lost the current argument. The proper format for this is as follows: YOU SAID HIS NAME!! THAT REALLY MEAN GERMAN GUY WHOSE NAME YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO SAY IN FORUMS!! (or TRMGGWNYNSTSIF!!, because we have to abbrev everything). THREAD = VERY OVER!! YOU = VERY LOSE'D!! I don't understand, why do you say this? You've said it before... And I don't know why. |
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| Author: | Choc-o-Lardiac Arrest [ Fri Jun 16, 2006 10:42 am ] |
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its because there some guy that wrote that on online forums and such that if you compare anyone t hitler, you automatically lose the debate or whatever you just used it in. as i say, Didymus should stop being Harry Potter about it and just say his name. |
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| Author: | Schmelen [ Fri Jun 16, 2006 10:44 am ] |
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Ow, COLA. Your slightly bad grammar hurts me. I don't really get why he says it, still. |
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| Author: | Occasional JD [ Fri Jun 16, 2006 10:45 am ] |
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It is unfortunate that I live in this world of today. Although as a whole, I dislike swearing, I subconsiously use curses often, and am therefor mostly uneffected when others swear. |
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| Author: | ready for prime time [ Fri Jun 16, 2006 10:52 am ] |
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Choc-o-Lardiac Arrest wrote: Didymus should stop being Harry Potter about it and just say his name.
actually, he's the only one brave enought to say it. ahem. VOLDEMORT. and, HITLER. ToastPaint. when someone swears at me, it just shows what TV is doing to our generation. expecially, the kids in my class say it all the time, like it's accepted. actually, to them, it is. |
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| Author: | No Toppings [ Fri Jun 16, 2006 11:15 am ] |
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Alexander wrote: Thank you Thomas, that was very helpfull.
Now for a little bit of my own ideas. To COLA: Cola, swearing at those who swear at you will never work. If I went to my dad and started swearing at him because he used language at me, that would not only break me apart and deystroy the promise I made to myself, but I would then make myself even worse then my dad. You can never fight sin with sin. To No Toppings: Toppings, swear words can never lose their meanings. Becaue of that was true, then all words would'nt make sence. If I said, "My kitty ran up the tree!" and the word had no meaning, then I wouldn't know what I said. And for that matter, all words wouldn't make sence and no one could communicate with each other! Do you see what I'm saying? And the same thing goes for swearing. It's purpose is to hurt. And so much so that it becomes sin. I'm a writer Toppings, and I love litature. One thing I have learned is this, words do have power. They can discribe everything from the love of a child and a parent, to the horrific era of the Holocaust. If they are not as terrible as someone murdering you, then let me say this; I would rather have my dad punch me in the stomach, throw me accross my room into a wall, and then tear apart one of my books then swear at me. For me, swearing is the most hurtful thing you can do to me. I love words, so they do matter very much to me. And if words and thoughts don't have meaning, then Adolf Hitler's thoughts and speaches would have never started the Holocaust. Not to say words can't convey meaning. By all means, they can, just as you and Didymus have said. The point I'm trying to convey is that you don't have to let curse words bother you. I'm not trying to convince you, just to convey my point. |
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| Author: | Choc-o-Lardiac Arrest [ Fri Jun 16, 2006 11:31 am ] |
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ready for prime time wrote: Choc-o-Lardiac Arrest wrote: Didymus should stop being Harry Potter about it and just say his name. actually, he's the only one brave enought to say it. ahem. VOLDEMORT. and, HITLER. ToastPaint. when someone swears at me, it just shows what TV is doing to our generation. expecially, the kids in my class say it all the time, like it's accepted. actually, to them, it is. whoopse, then i guess he should be harry potter about it.... |
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| Author: | Alexander [ Fri Jun 16, 2006 4:52 pm ] |
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No Toppings wrote: Not to say words can't convey meaning. By all means, they can, just as you and Didymus have said. The point I'm trying to convey is that you don't have to let curse words bother you.
I'm not trying to convince you, just to convey my point. And I can understand that. I'm very sorry with what happend between you and your dad, but that doesn't mean you have to act like him. Toppings, I'm afraid it will always bother me. I suppose you didn't know this, but I'm Christian. It goes agaisn't my religion to use it in any way. And even if I wasn't Christian, it still bothers me. There was somthing I witnessed once that made me become so scared of it. I once saw two little girls, who were sisters, and their mother walking along the street right next to my house. They were going to the pool which was a few miles from my house. It then became much worse. The younger child slipped on her sandle and asked her mother for help, her mother reacted in a very bitter way. She took her, threw her on the ground, yelled at her, and then swore at her to go home. She cried every minute. I wanted to hold her in my arms and tell her everything would be all right, but I never could. I was in my room watching all of it. |
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| Author: | Hi Guys [ Fri Jun 16, 2006 5:56 pm ] |
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I'm a pretty casual swearer. Is that even the right term? Anyway, I try only to swear when I'm by myself. Or with my friends. Or my dad. Or my sisters. Besides that I can control myself. But my theory is, if someone is yelling at you and insulting you, it really doesn't matter if they're swearing or not. It's still gonna hurt someone's feelings. |
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| Author: | Didymus [ Fri Jun 16, 2006 6:15 pm ] |
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Schmelen wrote: Ow, COLA.
Your slightly bad grammar hurts me. I don't really get why he says it, still. Actually, Captain Shazbot explains it. It's called Godwin's Law, and it states that in any online debate or discussion, sooner or later, someone will draw a comparison to Those Really Mean German Guys. It's become an unwritten rule on the interwebs that, once that reference is made, the thread is officially over, and the person who made the reference loses. This rule is mainly to curb unfair comparisons and sensationalistic references. |
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| Author: | Captain Shazbot [ Fri Jun 16, 2006 10:30 pm ] |
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Alexander wrote: I suppose you didn't know this, but I'm Christian. It goes agaisn't my religion to use it in any way. I don't see how this is relavent.
I happen to be a Christian as well. And nowhere does it say 'thou shalt not use foul language' or anything like that. It's not un-Christian to use bad language; it's a matter of your perspective on things. Some Christians (such as youself) think that any use of foul language is absolutely wrong, where as others (such as myself and a few others I know) are more liberal minded. |
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| Author: | Didymus [ Fri Jun 16, 2006 11:12 pm ] |
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Actually, those passages in St. James I cited earlier I think lend credence to Alec's point. I think it is important that we do consider our words and their meaning, and not to take them lightly. Doesn't mean that we can never use them under any circumstance, but it does mean we really ought to be more careful about what we say and how we say it. |
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| Author: | Alexander [ Fri Jun 16, 2006 11:22 pm ] |
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Captain Shazbot wrote: Alexander wrote: I suppose you didn't know this, but I'm Christian. It goes agaisn't my religion to use it in any way. I don't see how this is relavent.I happen to be a Christian as well. And nowhere does it say 'thou shalt not use foul language' or anything like that. It's not un-Christian to use bad language; it's a matter of your perspective on things. Some Christians (such as youself) think that any use of foul language is absolutely wrong, where as others (such as myself and a few others I know) are more liberal minded. Might I ask what sort of Christian demination you are? Because the Scriptures clearly states the opposite. Leviticus 22:32 states, "Do not profane my holy name, I must be acknowledged as holy by the Israelites. I am the Lord, who makes you holy. The Ten Commandments also mention it. Exodus 20:7 states, "You shall not misuse the name of the Lord your God, for the Lord will not hold anyone guiltless who misuses his name. And incase you were wondering, profanity is all kinds of sin, not just swearing. |
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| Author: | Captain Shazbot [ Fri Jun 16, 2006 11:47 pm ] |
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Alexander wrote: Captain Shazbot wrote: Alexander wrote: I suppose you didn't know this, but I'm Christian. It goes agaisn't my religion to use it in any way. I don't see how this is relavent.I happen to be a Christian as well. And nowhere does it say 'thou shalt not use foul language' or anything like that. It's not un-Christian to use bad language; it's a matter of your perspective on things. Some Christians (such as youself) think that any use of foul language is absolutely wrong, where as others (such as myself and a few others I know) are more liberal minded. Might I ask what sort of Christian demination you are? Because the Scriptures clearly states the opposite. Leviticus 22:32 states, "Do not profane my holy name, I must be acknowledged as holy by the Israelites. I am the Lord, who makes you holy. The Ten Commandments also mention it. Exodus 20:7 states, "You shall not misuse the name of the Lord your God, for the Lord will not hold anyone guiltless who misuses his name. And incase you were wondering, profanity is all kinds of sin, not just swearing. Leviticus 22:32 wrote: "Do not profane my holy name, I must be acknowledged as holy by the Israelites. I am the Lord, who makes you holy. Exodus 20:7 wrote: "You shall not misuse the name of the Lord your God, for the Lord will not hold anyone guiltless who misuses his name.
Your quotations only address the use of God's name. Where in the Bible does it address the use of foul language in general? I'm technically a Protestant, but if find deminations silly. I am a Christian, and nothing else. |
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| Author: | HHFOV [ Fri Jun 16, 2006 11:57 pm ] |
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There are some words, such as the one about the female dog, that do not apply to our LORD GOD in any way. Since the scriptures which Alec referred to only mention profaning the name of the LORD GOD, I don't see how profaning the name of a female dog would be the same. Maybe, like, the "D" word and the "H" word would count as that, but no other swears of which I can think. |
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| Author: | StrongRad [ Sat Jun 17, 2006 12:00 am ] |
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HipHoppityFrogOfValue wrote: There are some words, such as the one about the female dog, that do not apply to our LORD GOD in any way. Since the scriptures which Alec referred to only mention profaning the name of the LORD GOD, I don't see how profaning the name of a female dog would be the same. Maybe, like, the "D" word and the "H" word would count as that, but no other swears of which I can think.
It's not the word, it's the meaning behind it, hippity. I could call you wonderful, but if I meant it as excrement, it would be bad. The idea, I think, is that using hurtful words implies a desire to hurt others (which could be a sign of hate in your heart). That's counter to the kinda things Christians should be doing. |
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| Author: | Alexander [ Sat Jun 17, 2006 12:34 am ] |
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To Captain Shazbot: Here's a question I would like to ask you. Why would God look down upon using his name in vain, which is technecally swearing, but permit the other half of it? Never once in the Bible does it state that swearing is something that God looks at with support. And as Didymus stated, there are the teaching of St. Paul. And as I stated before, even if I wasn't religious, I would still feel uncomfortable with swearing. |
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| Author: | StrongRad [ Sat Jun 17, 2006 12:40 am ] |
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Alexander wrote: To Captain Shazbot:
Here's a question I would like to ask you. Why would God look down upon using his name in vain, which is technecally swearing, but permit the other half of it? Never once in the Bible does it state that swearing is something that God looks at with support. And as Didymus stated, there are the teaching of St. Paul. And as I stated before, even if I wasn't religious, I would still feel uncomfortable with swearing. The only problem I have with this is that nowhere in the bible does it actually define which words are "swear" words (other than the whole "taking the lord's name in vain" thing). A lot of our current swears are just words that people have decided are swears (the whole "how you mean it" thing). So, yeah, swearing = bad. You were right, but for the wrong reasons (I think). |
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| Author: | Captain Shazbot [ Sat Jun 17, 2006 2:03 am ] |
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StrongRad wrote: Alexander wrote: To Captain Shazbot: Here's a question I would like to ask you. Why would God look down upon using his name in vain, which is technecally swearing, but permit the other half of it? Never once in the Bible does it state that swearing is something that God looks at with support. And as Didymus stated, there are the teaching of St. Paul. And as I stated before, even if I wasn't religious, I would still feel uncomfortable with swearing. The only problem I have with this is that nowhere in the bible does it actually define which words are "swear" words (other than the whole "taking the lord's name in vain" thing). A lot of our current swears are just words that people have decided are swears (the whole "how you mean it" thing). So, yeah, swearing = bad. You were right, but for the wrong reasons (I think). Again; it's a matter of perspective and manners. I can swear around my friends because they don't mind. But around other people (such as you peoples), who don't like it when people swear, I restrain myself. |
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| Author: | StrongRad [ Sat Jun 17, 2006 2:08 am ] |
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Captain Shazbot wrote: Again; it's a matter of perspective and manners. I can swear around my friends because they don't mind. But around other people (such as you peoples), who don't like it when people swear, I restrain myself.
That wasn't quite the point I was making. I meant that swearing is all in the way you mean it. Saying something that isn't a "swear" with intent to hurt someone is just as bad as saying a "swear" with intent to hurt someone. |
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| Author: | IantheGecko [ Sat Jun 17, 2006 3:33 am ] |
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Here's a verse, Shazbot: Ephesians 4:29 wrote: Do not use foul or abusive language. Let everything you say be good and helpful, so that your words will be an encouragement to those who hear them.
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| Author: | StrongRad [ Sat Jun 17, 2006 3:37 am ] |
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IantheGecko wrote: Here's a verse, Shazbot:
Ephesians 4:29 wrote: Do not use foul or abusive language. Let everything you say be good and helpful, so that your words will be an encouragement to those who hear them. Which translation is that, Ian? |
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| Author: | Didymus [ Sat Jun 17, 2006 3:43 am ] |
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The literal Greek is σαπρος, which means "unwholesome" or "filthy". Ian's got you there, Shazbot. |
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| Author: | Captain Shazbot [ Sat Jun 17, 2006 5:30 am ] |
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It appears that I have been thwarted in verbal combat. Well played, Ian. That saud, it seems I have nothing else left. If you don't mind, I respectfully withdraw myself from the debate. I'll get you next time! |
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| Author: | IantheGecko [ Sat Jun 17, 2006 5:35 am ] |
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Hey, you're the one who asked where the Bible addresses foul language.
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| Author: | No Toppings [ Sat Jun 17, 2006 2:48 pm ] |
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Captain Shazbot wrote: It appears that I have been thwarted in verbal combat. Well played, Ian.
That saud, it seems I have nothing else left. If you don't mind, I respectfully withdraw myself from the debate. I'll get you next time! I too realize your point and have no counterpoint to offer. Good job guys.
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| Author: | Capt. Ido Nos [ Sat Jun 17, 2006 3:01 pm ] |
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I will say though, Capt. Shazbot, that this exchange is greatly amusing with the knowledge of the origin of your username
And grood job on the verse there ian. |
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| Author: | Acekirby [ Sat Jun 17, 2006 7:24 pm ] |
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Very well done, Ian. With my limited knowledge on the Bible, there's no way I could have dug that up. Captain Shazbot wrote: It appears that I have been thwarted in verbal combat. Well played, Ian. That saud, it seems I have nothing else left. If you don't mind, I respectfully withdraw myself from the debate. I'll get you next time! I want to personally congradulate you on that post. It's not often you see someone who knows that they've been defeated/proven wrong, and will take it graciously. *applauds* No Toppings wrote: I too realize your point and have no counterpoint to offer.
Good job guys. ![]() I could applaud you as well, but why would I do that? You smell.
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| Author: | Alexander [ Sat Jun 17, 2006 10:38 pm ] |
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*claps hands* A very capital job Ian. A very capital job. I knew there was a verse in there somewhere. And to Toppings and Shozbot, my respect for you both is now much more. I'm very amazed with how you two could lose an argument and then be respectful with it. Thank you, to both of you. Your both respectible gentlemen. We can continue this discussion, I'm still curious on other people's opinions. |
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| Author: | Einoo T. Spork [ Sat Jun 17, 2006 11:18 pm ] |
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Of course this is all useless if you're not Christian.
But seriously. I still think that you should try to keep your swearing to a minimum if others are uncomfortable, although I personally think that they're just words and can't possibly do any harm unless you're using them in an abusive and/or mean manner. Coincidentally, ANY language can do harm if you're using them in an abusive and/or mean manner. Huh. Weird.
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