Meh...I've heard from some Muslims I personally know that Islam is actually supposed to be peaceful. Just because you read a tiny fragment of the religious text doesn't mean it necessarily represents the entire idea of the whole. I could just as easily take a passage from the Christian Bible that is violent in nature and say that Christianity is unpeaceful.

Find me a part of the bible that tells you to kill and ill give you $3000 bucks. You also ignored the stoning bit. Thats part of the quaran.

For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day shall be your holy day, a Sabbath of rest to the LORD. Whoever does any work on it must be put to death.

Or the fact that if women commit adultery they are to be stoned. Adultery is wrong but it shouldn't be punished with a horrible death. So what do you all think?

ahem. I said new testament, not old. Try not editing the quotes next time to your advantage. While exodus 35:2 does say that killing bit, Leviticus 10:20 says "When Moses heard that, it seemed good in his sight." so don't try any more lies with me. Okay. And this still doesn't mean Islam isn't voilent. Read the Quaran for once people.

ahem. I said new testament, not old. Try not editing the quotes next time to your advantage.

Well I am a part of my schools debate team and I did a ton of research on this. The history of islam is not good. Whenever someone conquers a nation in the name of islam and wants to convert the inhabitants the rules are: 1. You ask them to convert 2. those that do not convert have to live as dimmis. That means your treated crappily. In turkey a long time ago christians had to pay in children as a tax. 3. kill those that don't choose either. Technically they don't force you to convert but if you don't you either die or get treated as sub human. In saudi arabia christians are humiliated daily. When christian men pay taxes the tax collecter is requiered to "grab them by the beard and slap thm." Is that peaceful????? A woman can't testify that a man raped her unless there were 4 male witnesses. Women are completely mistreated in Islam. It allows the beating of wives. But you being the blind fool you are you cannot see this.

Islam isn't inherently evil, no more than Christianity is. How can it be?

It's the people who have evil on their hearts and minds that (try) to justify their actions by using Islam as a scapegoat that are the problem. Like Osama Bin-Laden. This has been the same issue with Christianity, and practically any religious belief you could name.

To assume that all Muslims are evil because of the actions of fanatics is outright wrong.

I mean, doesn't the Quran forbid forced conversion?

I can't really argue in defense of Islam point-by-point, because I know so little about its scriptures ... but I do stand by my principles.

I don't believe that the good muslims are responsible for the actions of fanatics. I feel sorry for them because their fellow muslims are killing many. But if you notice I said that this is about "the ideology, not the people." So i'm talking about the religion itself.

The religion of Islam is no more violent than Christianity or Judaism. Remember the Old Testament texts? Those things are pretty dang violent.

The more violent Muslims over the course of history that I can see are the Shiites. What you have to remember is that although the Shiites are the majority in Iran and Iraq, they are a minority in worldwide Islam. The majority of Muslims are Sunnis, who, as far as I can tell, are more peaceful.

...women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church.

I swear, I'm going to convert to Buddhism one of these days. It's refreshing to think of a religion that strives for peace instead of killing everyone you don't like.

Yes some of the old testament texts are voilent. The thing is that neither christians nor jews are still doing horrible things.

In comparative religion, fundamentalism has come to refer to several different understandings of religious thought and practice, including literal interpretation of sacred texts such as the Bible or the Qu'ran and sometimes also anti-modernist movements in various religions.

Islam is unfortunately voilent and it is true. The Sunnis and Shiites are not getting along well. In Iraq they are blowing eachother up. Shiite mosques are being burned by Sunnis. The middle east is not well.

And no one has yet talked about the fact that Islam encourages the mistreatment of women. I dare you all to.

"And among His signs is this, that He has created for you mates from among yourselves, that you may dwell in tranquillity with them; and He has put love and mercy between you. Verily in that are signs for those who reflect." (30:21)

"They (your wives) are your garment and you are a garment for them." (2:187)

"For Muslim men and women, for believing men and women, for devout men and women, for true men and women, for men and women who are patient and constant, for men and women who humble themselves, for men and women who give in charity, for men and women who fast, for men and women who guard their chastity, and for men and women who engage much in Allah's praise, for them has Allah prepared forgiveness and great reward."(33:35)

And for women are rights over men similar to those of men over women. (2:226)

"O you who believe! You are forbidden to inherit women against their will. Nor should you treat them with harshness, that you may take away part of the dowry you have given them except when they have become guilty of open lewdness.

O mankind! Reverence your Guardian-Lord, Who created you from a single person, created, of like nature, his mate, and from this pair scattered (like seeds) countless men and women. Reverence Allah, through Whom you demand your mutual (rights), and reverence the wombs (that bore you); for Allah ever watches over you. (4:1)

O People, it is true that you have certain rights with regard to your women, but they also have rights over you. Remember that you have taken them as your wives only under God's trust and with His permission. If they abide by your right then to them belongs the right to be fed and clothed in kindness. Do treat your women well and be kind to them for they are your partners and committed helpers. And it is your right that they do not make friends with any one of whom you do not approve, as well as never to be unchaste.

Women are the twin halves of men.

ahem. I said new testament, not old.

Let's look at what fundamentalism is, shall we?

Yes, the Qu'ran is interpreted literally by some extremists around the world, but so is the Bible (New Testament and Old--making a distinction between them is ridiculous when you refer to Christianity). Have you never heard of an abortion clinic being bombed? Huge rallys to strip rights away from people who do not conform to the Christian belief system (homosexuals, abortors, any separation of Church and State). This is all fundamentalism, or if you will, extremism. This is spawned from literal interpretations of the Christian Bible.


To be blunt with you, your ignorance is absolutely sickening. If you took any time to research the conflict between the branches of Islam, you'd realize that the main problem between the Shi'a and the Sunni is the political leadership (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shi'a). This conflict is inspired by a concept called Ahlul Bayt--the Family of Islam. Each branch interpereted this differently, thus the political structure of the branches conflict. That's what causes the terrorist attacks between Sunnis and Shi'a (for the most part).

Islam is NOT inherently violent, in the same way Christianity isn't inherently violent.


Allow me to cite a few translated Qu'ran quotes:

This states that the love between man and woman is holy and a sign of Allah.


A husband and wife should be there for each other in the same way as the other is.


Man and woman are equal in Allah's eyes. They receive the same treatment from him.


Men and women have different rights, but they each have their own distinct rights over each other.


Women have full say in marriage, according to the Qu'ran. They are not playthings of men. Also, the man is not to treat his wife with harm, unless she is absolutely guilty of adultery (the Bible has verses condemning women who have committed adultery).


Men and women were created from the same soul, and have the same human rights.

Even Muhammad said this about women in his Final Sermon:



Just because what you see on TV in the Middle East looks like absolute violence, that doesn't mean that making an extraordinarily prejudiced statement about an entire religion you don't understand is justified.

Let's look at what fundamentalism is, shall we?

Yes, the Qu'ran is interpreted literally by some extremists around the world, but so is the Bible (New Testament and Old--making a distinction between them is ridiculous when you refer to Christianity). Have you never heard of an abortion clinic being bombed? Huge rallys to strip rights away from people who do not conform to the Christian belief system (homosexuals, abortors, any separation of Church and State). This is all fundamentalism, or if you will, extremism. This is spawned from literal interpretations of the Christian Bible.


To be blunt with you, your ignorance is absolutely sickening. If you took any time to research the conflict between the branches of Islam, you'd realize that the main problem between the Shi'a and the Sunni is the political leadership (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shi'a). This conflict is inspired by a concept called Ahlul Bayt--the Family of Islam. Each branch interpereted this differently, thus the political structure of the branches conflict. That's what causes the terrorist attacks between Sunnis and Shi'a (for the most part).

Islam is NOT inherently violent, in the same way Christianity isn't inherently violent.


Allow me to cite a few translated Qu'ran quotes:

This states that the love between man and woman is holy and a sign of Allah.


A husband and wife should be there for each other in the same way as the other is.


Man and woman are equal in Allah's eyes. They receive the same treatment from him.


Men and women have different rights, but they each have their own distinct rights over each other.


Women have full say in marriage, according to the Qu'ran. They are not playthings of men. Also, the man is not to treat his wife with harm, unless she is absolutely guilty of adultery (the Bible has verses condemning women who have committed adultery).


Men and women were created from the same soul, and have the same human rights.

Even Muhammad said this about women in his Final Sermon:



Just because what you see on TV in the Middle East looks like absolute violence, that doesn't mean that making an extraordinarily prejudiced statement about an entire religion you don't understand is justified.

The thing about the Quaran is that it is a book that disagrees with itself.

The thing about the Quaran is that it is a book that disagrees with itself.

EXO 15:3 The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.

ROM 15:33 Now the God of peace be with you all. Amen.