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Author:  topofsm [ Sun Apr 30, 2006 10:21 pm ]
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Apparently there is some debate on the National Anthem being translated into Spanish.

The pros of it say, "Why not, the foreign language speakers should have a sense of patriotism."

The cons say, "They should learn how to speak English, we are not unified if we don't have one language.

Personally, I see nothing wrong with converting the National Anthem into Spanish.
Author:  IantheGecko [ Sun Apr 30, 2006 10:41 pm ]
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I don't like this idea at all. People who want to become citizens should learn the language. It's simple as that. If I moved to France, I wouldn't sing "La Marseillaise" in English, so why should our national anthem be in Spanish?

I've read the English translation of the Spanish lyrics, and it just doesn't capture the same essence as that night in 1814 "when our flag was still there". This new anthem is basically an American patriotic song, sung in Spanish.

President Bush doesn't even like this idea!
Author:  PianoManGidley [ Sun Apr 30, 2006 10:42 pm ]
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Considering the fact that the tune of our own national anthem is the tune of an old English (read: British) drinking song, I'm sort of undecided on this one...I mean, it would seem a bit hypocritical of us for that reason...but at the same time, I don't like what I've heard about the words being completely rewritten in the translation.
Author:  IantheGecko [ Sun Apr 30, 2006 10:47 pm ]
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Me neither...and you won't wanna hear the remix; it has a few English lines that condemn our immigration laws.
Author:  lahimatoa [ Sun Apr 30, 2006 11:05 pm ]
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Translating, fine.

Adding whole new ideas to a song and putting it into another language is not translating.
Author:  ModestlyHotGirl [ Mon May 01, 2006 1:41 am ]
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Our national anthem is sung in both French and English. At hockey games and the like, it's sung half-and-half, verse by verse. I think that if a country (any country) has more than one official language, the anthem should be translated.
Author:  Capt. Ido Nos [ Mon May 01, 2006 2:02 am ]
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Pues, creo que es un buena idea que nostotros no hagamos nada con qué ya tenemos (completement, por lo menos)

I'm willing to bet not too many people understood that - sans Google, anyways. Well, I think it'd be okay to translate it, but not have it as an official version, if that makes sense. My thought is that a readily translated version would help those in the process of learning English get it quicker. But on the other hand, I am completely against changing the thing just to yell out against something or other.

Also, on the topic of the anthem as it is, a reason that the Star Spangled Banner was to the tune of a drinking song was essentially so that everybody would know the tune offhand. (An interesting side note - the anthem didn't used oto be our official anthem until the Olympics started up. At that time there was two groups basically that each wanted a different song. When the time came around to "sing the US national anthem" the star spanglesd banner guy got there first. The things you learn in history class)
Author:  Dark Grapefruit [ Mon May 01, 2006 4:19 am ]
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This... this is actually an issue? Why would anyone be opposed to a translation? I'm honestly baffled.
Author:  Jello B. [ Mon May 01, 2006 4:44 am ]
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Dark Grapefruit wrote:
This... this is actually an issue? Why would anyone be opposed to a translation? I'm honestly baffled.

You and me both.
Author:  topofsm [ Mon May 01, 2006 4:47 am ]
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Dark Grapefruit wrote:
This... this is actually an issue? Why would anyone be opposed to a translation? I'm honestly baffled.

True Words, DG. Honestly, you people against translating the national anthem make me sick.
Author:  Alexander [ Mon May 01, 2006 4:50 am ]
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Well, if they want to do it, that is quite fine with me.

I really cannot think of any argument to be agaisn't it.
Author:  lahimatoa [ Mon May 01, 2006 4:53 am ]
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This... this is actually an issue? Why would anyone be opposed to a translation? I'm honestly baffled.


Please read all previous posts before being baffled.

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Translating, fine.

Adding whole new ideas to a song and putting it into another language is not translating.


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I don't like what I've heard about the words being completely rewritten in the translation.
Author:  Jello B. [ Mon May 01, 2006 5:34 am ]
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lahimatoa wrote:
Please read all previous posts before being baffled.

I did, and I still don't know where they're coming from.
Author:  Anydangway [ Mon May 01, 2006 5:50 am ]
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ModestlyHotGirl wrote:
Our national anthem is sung in both French and English. At hockey games and the like, it's sung half-and-half, verse by verse. I think that if a country (any country) has more than one official language, the anthem should be translated.


Excellent point. However, America only has one official language. I agree with Ian: no other country would bend over so far backward to accommodate immigrants.
Author:  lahimatoa [ Mon May 01, 2006 6:06 am ]
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Here you go, Jello.

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Author:  StrongRad [ Mon May 01, 2006 6:40 am ]
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Anydangway wrote:
ModestlyHotGirl wrote:
Our national anthem is sung in both French and English. At hockey games and the like, it's sung half-and-half, verse by verse. I think that if a country (any country) has more than one official language, the anthem should be translated.


Excellent point. However, America only has one official language. I agree with Ian: no other country would bend over so far backward to accommodate immigrants.

Actually, as it's been said before, AMERICA DOES NOT HAVE AN OFFICIAL LANGUAGE. Maybe we should, but we don't.

As for the "no other country would bend over so far backwards" bit, have you ever been to any country in Europe? If you have I needn't say more. If you haven't, well, you should. You'd be suprised how many places you hear english spoken.

I don't actually have a problem with foreign language versions of the national anthem, either. It's a beautiful song, and the more people that understand it, the more people will realize how great it is. Like Lahi, I DO have a problem with it being changed to make a "statement".

I think there's gonna be a lot of backlash, just like this whole "day without an immigrant" thing.

These people really fail to think things through.
Author:  lahimatoa [ Mon May 01, 2006 7:15 am ]
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As for the "no other country would bend over so far backwards" bit, have you ever been to any country in Europe? If you have I needn't say more. If you haven't, well, you should. You'd be suprised how many places you hear english spoken.


I can tell you one thing... Europeans do not learn English to accomodate Americans. They do it because it's the language of business, among other reasons, none of which are because they love people from the United States.
Author:  StrongRad [ Mon May 01, 2006 1:27 pm ]
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lahimatoa wrote:
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As for the "no other country would bend over so far backwards" bit, have you ever been to any country in Europe? If you have I needn't say more. If you haven't, well, you should. You'd be suprised how many places you hear english spoken.


I can tell you one thing... Europeans do not learn English to accomodate Americans. They do it because it's the language of business, among other reasons, none of which are because they love people from the United States.

I didn't say they did it because they love Americans. The fact remains, though. You can usually get by in other countries with English a lot better then people from those countries would get by here with their native language.
Author:  Rogue Leader [ Mon May 01, 2006 2:29 pm ]
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Nothing wrong with translating it.
However, the anthem lost its meaning in most translations, and in the other, just lost its patriotism.
Author:  ModestlyHotGirl [ Mon May 01, 2006 3:11 pm ]
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Well, colour me misinformed. I always thought the official languages were English and Spanish. Huh.

Well, anyway, because of the large Spanish-speaking population, I think it's only fair. But from what I know, that great neighbour of ours is not always fair. No offence intended there, guys. Please don't freak out.
Author:  Capt. Ido Nos [ Mon May 01, 2006 6:40 pm ]
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Well, upon reading my post, I'm not sure I said my opinion just right.

I don't see any problem with having a Spanish translation of the anthem, jut as how other nations have theirs in multiple forms. I do not, however, think that the anthem should be changed (in only the translated version or otherwise) in order to voice political opinions. It's the Anthem for crying out loud, not a soapbox on the street corner.
Author:  Dactyl [ Mon May 01, 2006 10:21 pm ]
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Yeah I'm not sure I get this. Do they want to just translate it? Because if they do: who cares? YOU don't have to sing it Spanish, just the Spainsh-speakers. And they aren't trying to change the anthem into Spanish. That would never happen. For the people who don't want it translated: what is your argument? I think I'm a little confused.
Author:  StrongRad [ Mon May 01, 2006 10:33 pm ]
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Dactyl wrote:
Yeah I'm not sure I get this. Do they want to just translate it? Because if they do: who cares? YOU don't have to sing it Spanish, just the Spainsh-speakers. And they aren't trying to change the anthem into Spanish. That would never happen. For the people who don't want it translated: what is your argument? I think I'm a little confused.

The issue is that a spanish version of the national anthem was recorded, and copies are being sold with proceeds going to immigrant "rights" groups. Ok, that's fair enough, someone makes money, they can do whatever they want with it.
The issue is that, supposedly, parts of it are changed to criticize America and its policies on immigration. Also, there is supposed to be a version this summer with several spoken lines (in english) criticizing immigration policies.
Author:  Simon Zeno [ Mon May 01, 2006 10:58 pm ]
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Whether it's morally right or not doesn't matter, though. They have the right to do it, under the first amendment.

Really, I could only oppose it from an aesthetics point of view. I find Spanish to be an ugly language... even compared to English.
Author:  StrongRad [ Mon May 01, 2006 11:00 pm ]
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Santa Zeno wrote:
Whether it's morally right or not doesn't matter, though. They have the right to do it, under the first amendment.

Really, I could only oppose it from an aesthetics point of view. I find Spanish to be an ugly language... even compared to English.

The first amendment is only valid for US citizens, though ;) .
Sorry.. I had to say it.
Author:  Simon Zeno [ Mon May 01, 2006 11:05 pm ]
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StrongRad wrote:
Santa Zeno wrote:
Whether it's morally right or not doesn't matter, though. They have the right to do it, under the first amendment.

Really, I could only oppose it from an aesthetics point of view. I find Spanish to be an ugly language... even compared to English.

The first amendment is only valid for US citizens, though ;) .
Sorry.. I had to say it.


Haha, yeah. I was giving them the benefit of the doubt. What can I say, I'm a no-ice guy...
Author:  Capt. Ido Nos [ Tue May 02, 2006 1:17 am ]
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Santa Zeno wrote:
StrongRad wrote:
Santa Zeno wrote:
Whether it's morally right or not doesn't matter, though. They have the right to do it, under the first amendment.

Really, I could only oppose it from an aesthetics point of view. I find Spanish to be an ugly language... even compared to English.

The first amendment is only valid for US citizens, though ;) .
Sorry.. I had to say it.


Haha, yeah. I was giving them the benefit of the doubt. What can I say, I'm a no-ice guy...


Strong Rad does have a point, though. People get so used to everyone having the same rights, but the simple fact is that many of these people are not in fact citizens and don't have rights. I think a deeper issue at hand is how much rights does a non-citizen have? Should they be entitled to at least some rights? I don't know, but I wonder what you all think.
Author:  sb_enail.com [ Tue May 02, 2006 5:38 am ]
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I don't think illegal aliens should be entitled to any more rights than anyone else who comits a crime (but how severe is the crime of illegal immigration?). The national anthem sung in Spanish does bother me to an extent, but it could be worse. It could be Russian. ;)
Author:  Didymus [ Tue May 02, 2006 7:35 pm ]
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O говорят, что Вы можете видеть ранним светом рассвета
что так гордо мы приветствовали при последнем блеске сумерек
Author:  StrongRad [ Tue May 02, 2006 9:21 pm ]
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Didymus wrote:
O говорят, что Вы можете видеть ранним светом рассвета
что так гордо мы приветствовали при последнем блеске сумерек
I grew up in the 80's. Can you imagine how weird that'd been back then?

That translates back all strange, though. OMG It's Rushglish!
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