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| Author: | The Smiling Assassin [ Fri Mar 03, 2006 8:47 pm ] |
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Greed or perhaps pride. So many things are wrong with the world because of them. |
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| Author: | CrystalVoices [ Sun Mar 05, 2006 7:54 pm ] |
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Gluttony, not only is it wasting food and what have you...i just see it as very vile and repulsive. |
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| Author: | Beyond the Grave [ Mon Mar 06, 2006 3:40 pm ] |
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In my opinion, no one sin is worse than the rest. They are all equally as bad, and they can lead you down paths you don't want to follow. |
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| Author: | Chichindrich [ Tue Mar 07, 2006 10:48 pm ] |
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I can't give an answer, solely because I believe all sins are equal. In fact, the list of "deadly sins" seems to bit a bit of an oxymoron, unless it's generalizing all sins. Then it makes sense. |
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| Author: | Didymus [ Tue Mar 07, 2006 10:51 pm ] |
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That's kind of what the Seven Deadly Sins is supposed to be, a way of sort of generalizing all sins. The basic idea is that all our sinful behaviors have their roots in one of these sinful attitudes. |
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| Author: | DanBo [ Wed Mar 08, 2006 1:07 am ] |
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Well, technically, taking the life of another can be comprable to theft according to almost any religion, or morality in general. Anything where you wrongfully take from another to gain self-prosperity is the most evil of wrongs in my book. That includes taking someone's life, possessions, innocence, and other things. So I think all sins lead down the path to these things, but I think greed gets people on the wwrong path faster and easier than other sins. |
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| Author: | No Toppings [ Sat Mar 11, 2006 3:32 am ] |
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Greed. It makes the other 6 possible. |
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| Author: | Not A Fruit [ Sun Mar 12, 2006 9:56 am ] |
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I chose greed. Greed is what causes all the problems in this world. Poverty is due to greed War is due to greed Crime is due to greed In my opinion |
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| Author: | Schmelen [ Sun Mar 12, 2006 10:12 am ] |
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Some of them sort of merge with the others. Like greed and envy. Well I think. |
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| Author: | Acekirby [ Sun Mar 12, 2006 10:37 pm ] |
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Either Greed or Pride for me. Although Wrath is pretty bad as well. |
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| Author: | StrongCanada [ Mon Mar 13, 2006 11:46 pm ] |
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I'm going to throw out an idea I heard in a class once, that the ultimate unforgivable sin is suicide. Now, please don't PM me or flame me if you've had a a loved one take their life - I certainly have had people I care for kill themselves. This is NOT a judgment on them - I simply want to get your opinions on this and make you think, the way it made me think. It certainly shocked and appalled me. The professor who presented this idea argued that suicide stems from the ultimate sin of despair - the fear that God cannot fix your situation, and that He is powerless to do so. Suicide shows an extreme lack of faith in God. (If you want my personal opinion, I believe we have a benevolent and loving God who can forgive ANYTHING He wants to forgive. It's all between Him and the person in question.) I certainly agree with those who say that no sin is above or below any other. Sin is sin, plain and simple. |
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| Author: | PianoManGidley [ Tue Mar 14, 2006 5:12 am ] |
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StrongCanada wrote: The professor who presented this idea argued that suicide stems from the ultimate sin of despair - the fear that God cannot fix your situation, and that He is powerless to do so. Suicide shows an extreme lack of faith in God.
Wow, was this some sort of Christian school or something? I thought school teachers weren't supposed to speak in any manner that advocated a certain religious belief...Seperation of Church and State and all that... Not being Christian myself, I obviously have a different opinion. While I'm not really keen on suicide, it can be more of a greyed area for me...perhaps because I haven't thought about it so much in depth about when and whether it is morally right or wrong. |
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| Author: | StrongCanada [ Tue Mar 14, 2006 10:37 pm ] |
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PianoManGidley wrote: Wow, was this some sort of Christian school or something? I thought school teachers weren't supposed to speak in any manner that advocated a certain religious belief...Seperation of Church and State and all that...
Not being Christian myself, I obviously have a different opinion. While I'm not really keen on suicide, it can be more of a greyed area for me...perhaps because I haven't thought about it so much in depth about when and whether it is morally right or wrong. I agree with you PMG - like I said, God can forgive what He chooses, IMHO. I just wanted to open up discussion on an interesting idea. And for the record - other than the fact that I went to university in a predominantly Christian area, it was a Dramatic Structure class (my professor had a tendency to go off on tangents). But to his credit, he often played devil's advocate and argued atheistic ideas (even though he was a practicing Catholic). |
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| Author: | Susan [ Wed Mar 15, 2006 5:34 am ] |
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Since personnally I dont believe in the ability to sin none of them matter to me. Why would we be able to sin if God truly doesnt want us to. (Don't hurt me, Im not religous.) |
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| Author: | PianoManGidley [ Wed Mar 15, 2006 4:46 pm ] |
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Susan wrote: Why would we be able to sin if God truly doesnt want us to. (Don't hurt me, Im not religous.)
I think it is, more or less, to help us appreciate "good choices" more, when we have personal experience with "bad choices." Nothing good would ever be as good without the bad against which to compare it. |
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| Author: | Didymus [ Wed Mar 15, 2006 5:04 pm ] |
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This may be just something based on my own personal experience (having worked at the VA Rehab Shelter), but it seems to me that God wants us to realize just how powerless we are without him, so we will learn to rely on him even more. That seems to be the cycle of sin: we turn away from God, thinking ourselves self-reliant, only to discover that we lose something of ourselves in the process. We become slaves of our passions and desires, and in the end, we find that all we can do is cry out for mercy. That right there is the first three steps in a nutshell: (1) I am powerless and life has become unmanageable, (2) there is One who can restore me to sanity, and (3) all I can do is turn my life and will over to Him. I would tend to agree with PianoMan. God very well could have created us without the ability to sin, but then, if he had, what would we be? Creatures incapable of making decisions, robots who can only respond to programming. But God wanted people, creatures who are able to trust him. But in order for that trust to be real, we must be placed in circumstances in which that trust can be exercised, where we must either rely on God or turn him away. As for suicide, it would depend on who I was talking to. If it were someone contemplating suicide, I wouldn't offer them any comfort to encourage them to go through with it. I would urge them not to throw the gift of life God has given them in the garbage and risk eternal separation. On the other hand, if it were someone who just lost a friend who committed suicide, my approach would be different. In both circumstances, I would have to honestly confess, I don't know how God deals with suicide. My instinct would be that he would respond with compassion on those who thought their lives too painful and worthless, but I cannot say for sure. |
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| Author: | PianoManGidley [ Wed Mar 15, 2006 10:33 pm ] |
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Didymus wrote: In both circumstances, I would have to honestly confess, I don't know how God deals with suicide. My instinct would be that he would respond with compassion on those who thought their lives too painful and worthless, but I cannot say for sure.
I don't know...you have a good point; my own philosophy is basically that you should be enjoying life, otherwise I see no point in being alive at all. However, at the same time, from a Christian point of view (and this is weird for me to advocate this, as I am no longer Christian [though I used to be, and was raised as such]), I would think that God would be most concerned with what use you made of the life He had given to you...much moreso, even, than how often you prayed or whether or not you went through all the ancient rituals laid down in the Bible and whatnot. I mean, I think the Christian view was that life was meant to not only be enjoyed, but to be able to spread that enjoyment to others, sharing love and companionship and religion with all people. And, as cliche as this sounds, it seems very selfish to commit suicide if you're supposed to be sharing the enjoyment and productivity of life with your community. |
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| Author: | Didymus [ Thu Mar 16, 2006 3:43 pm ] |
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One thing to keep in mind as well: many people who commit suicide do so because, for some reason, they have lost all hope in life. It may be clinical depression, or some traumatic event that leads them to believe that they will never enjoy life, so they might as well end it. So it's not so much that they choose not to enjoy life, but rather that they feel like they can't. But one consistent theme in Scripture is endurance through tribulation. Stand strong, keep running the race, etc. Life is going to throw challenges at us, but rather than ending our lives, we instead take courage that Christ will get us through those challenges, as difficult as they might be. |
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| Author: | Ninti [ Thu Mar 16, 2006 4:45 pm ] |
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When life starts throwing pies at you, may a big glass of pieminade! I picked envy, because as Santa Zeno said, it could cause other sins too. |
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| Author: | Chichindrich [ Wed Mar 22, 2006 10:34 pm ] |
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Didymus wrote: That's kind of what the Seven Deadly Sins is supposed to be, a way of sort of generalizing all sins. The basic idea is that all our sinful behaviors have their roots in one of these sinful attitudes.
Armed with this knowledge, I will have to say pride. When you think about it, pride can lead to a lot of other ones, like anger or greed. You become so wrapped up in yourself or your talents, that you justify anything you do and you don't know what to do when you're proven wrong. It's true that pride comes before a fall. An example: I beat my other family members in foosball a lot. But whenever I start to get prideful, I start to lose. Whenever I'm humble about it, I win more often. I don't think it's a coincedence. |
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| Author: | Teh Ch8t [ Thu Mar 23, 2006 8:23 pm ] |
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If I could, I would change my choice. I would make it "Greed," because, as everyone said, greed can be gluttony, which was my choice. So, I say greed. |
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| Author: | Didymus [ Thu Mar 23, 2006 11:14 pm ] |
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Greed, to me, is more premeditative. It is a drive to control, whether resources or other people. Gluttony, on the other hand, is a lack of self-control that results in abuse and waste of resources. But that's just my thinking. |
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| Author: | lazadisk [ Mon Apr 03, 2006 6:20 pm ] |
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but sloths are so CUTE!!!!! and theyre probably endangered or something!!! lol jk |
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| Author: | HHFOV [ Tue Apr 04, 2006 12:36 pm ] |
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lazadisk wrote: but sloths are so CUTE!!!!! and theyre probably endangered or something!!! lol jk
This makes me ashamed to call myself a christian, but, um.... What is sloth, exactly? |
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| Author: | Alberto [ Tue Apr 04, 2006 8:08 pm ] |
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HipHoppityFrogOfValue wrote: lazadisk wrote: but sloths are so CUTE!!!!! and theyre probably endangered or something!!! lol jk This makes me ashamed to call myself a christian, but, um.... What is sloth, exactly? Lazy -_-. |
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| Author: | Gorilla Knight [ Fri Apr 07, 2006 9:17 pm ] |
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Greed. |
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| Author: | The Human Wedgie [ Sat Apr 22, 2006 9:28 am ] |
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Greed, definitely. Greed is going to get us all killed someday. |
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| Author: | IantheGecko [ Sat Apr 22, 2006 4:53 pm ] |
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I picked Envy; about 2/3 of the people in American prisons are in there for drug-related crimes. That would also fall under Greed, but I just wanted to pick something different. |
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| Author: | iKipapa [ Sat Apr 22, 2006 5:14 pm ] |
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I said pride. For the reasons that other people have already said. |
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| Author: | Lu Bu [ Sat Apr 29, 2006 2:50 pm ] |
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I think it is pride. Pride because pride can lead to revenge. And people kill for revenge more then greed. That, and I'm pretty sure it said that somewhere in the bible...but that doesn't mean I'm right. |
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