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| Author: | PianoManGidley [ Mon Feb 20, 2006 5:29 am ] |
| Post subject: | Tranquility Bay (Because Parents are ALWAYS Right...) |
The Official Site A descriptive article about what really goes on A site designed to point out everything wrong with the place Ever hear of this place? It's essentially a brainwashing school masked as a "reform center" for troubled (or sometimes not so troubled) teenagers--mostly American. It just...irks me beyond all description. This is the worst thing you can do to a person. In my opinion, the single worst crime in all the history of humanity is to steal away somebody else's right to individual thought--and that's precisely what this place does. |
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| Author: | IantheGecko [ Mon Feb 20, 2006 5:32 am ] |
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That is insane. Absolutely...stupid. |
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| Author: | StrongRad [ Mon Feb 20, 2006 5:39 am ] |
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Seems like nothing more than lazy parenting to me. I'm to busy with "me time" to take care of my kid when they're young, so I'll just send them to a "behavior modification center" when they're older. Geez. I remember, back in the day when parents would just say their disrespectful, misbehaving brats had "ADD" and pumped them full of Ritalin. There may be some kids that need "harsh" treatment, but somehow, I doubt they are the ones being sent here. Kids DO need to learn to respect authority and obey the law and their parents, BUT they should still be free to question both. |
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| Author: | Mikes! [ Mon Feb 20, 2006 6:20 am ] |
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That place seems pretty Reagan-era disgusting. I wouldn't last three seconds in place like that. Instead, I'd rather live on the streets-- at least then I could preserve my sanity. Does anyone else think that the Jamaican location is a little bit sketchy? |
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| Author: | StrongRad [ Mon Feb 20, 2006 6:30 am ] |
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Mikes! wrote: Does anyone else think that the Jamaican location is a little bit sketchy?
Eh Mon! Quit with all the fightin'. lordamercy! Seriously, I dunno what to make of that. It could be that it's Jamaica because it's Jamaica, or there might be something going on there that has to go on off of the US mainland... It could go either way. |
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| Author: | Prof. Tor Coolguy [ Mon Feb 20, 2006 6:34 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Tranquility Bay (Because Parents are ALWAYS Right...) |
PianoManGidley wrote: The Official Site
A descriptive article about what really goes on A site designed to point out everything wrong with the place Ever hear of this place? It's essentially a brainwashing school masked as a "reform center" for troubled (or sometimes not so troubled) teenagers--mostly American. It just...irks me beyond all description. This is the worst thing you can do to a person. In my opinion, the single worst crime in all the history of humanity is to steal away somebody else's right to individual thought--and that's precisely what this place does. This looks like high quality social engineering. A camp like this makes the 'Brat Camp' type places look like a Boy Scout camping trip. |
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| Author: | Lunar Jesty [ Mon Feb 20, 2006 12:57 pm ] |
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I first saw this article about three years ago. It's still as frightening now. "My daughter wasn't being a good Jehova's Witness!" Parents: why in the world did you have children if you wanted a dog that will come when you call it? |
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| Author: | Choc-o-Lardiac Arrest [ Mon Feb 20, 2006 7:23 pm ] |
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i will bet you guys anything that years later from now, someone is going to deny this things existance and all who survived it are gonna mob against him. as for me, id love to be sent to one of theese places, it seems like a joy of just torturing theese workers who work there. so what, 40 lashes on my back if i curse, guiotine if i give the finger, and sleeping in a box of nails if i do bad. it seems like it would be fun to come out of it and laugh in their faces. ha! |
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| Author: | Prof. Tor Coolguy [ Mon Feb 20, 2006 9:23 pm ] |
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Choc-o-Lardiac Arrest wrote: i will bet you guys anything that years later from now, someone is going to deny this things existance and all who survived it are gonna mob against him.
as for me, id love to be sent to one of theese places, it seems like a joy of just torturing theese workers who work there. so what, 40 lashes on my back if i curse, guiotine if i give the finger, and sleeping in a box of nails if i do bad. it seems like it would be fun to come out of it and laugh in their faces. ha! Sounds like somone recently read "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest". |
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| Author: | Douglas [ Mon Feb 20, 2006 9:30 pm ] |
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Gah. I hate these things. It's the parents fault for not raising their kid properly, and they don't want to deal with the consequences, so they get their kid abducted to a Jamaican brainwashing concentration camp. It makes me sick. |
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| Author: | Choc-o-Lardiac Arrest [ Mon Feb 20, 2006 11:05 pm ] |
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Douglas wrote: Gah. I hate these things. It's the parents fault for not raising their kid properly, and they don't want to deal with the consequences, so they get their kid abducted to a Jamaican brainwashing concentration camp.
It makes me sick. you know, that happend to my friend's brother once, he came back just the same. still an destructive person, still smokes, still does alot of horrible things. nopthing changed. thats why i moved up here. |
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| Author: | Mikes! [ Mon Feb 20, 2006 11:10 pm ] |
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The kids don't need to be retooled, anyway. As my hero Emma Goldman once declared, "Crime is naught but misdirected energy," they should just get into something constructive, like punk rock. |
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| Author: | topofsm [ Wed Feb 22, 2006 5:15 am ] |
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That is completely retarted. It's for parents who spoiled their kid or gave them too much freedom, or whatever, and now they are giving them little more than prison. If they think that this will cure them, it will cause worse damage to that kid than already done. He will come home, and immediately crash. He will swear, smoke, do drugs, and worse. This is all just a bunch of bull to make crap money. This from a 14 year old person in Arizona. EDIT: did anyone notice in the FAQ they don't take people with Severe Psychiatric Disorders? |
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| Author: | Funkstar [ Wed Feb 22, 2006 3:31 pm ] |
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*get's into angry pose* So he wants Britain now, does he? Well it's be the end of the world before our country get's on it's knees to such crap! Over here, we don't believe in phycology, or your stupid 'behaviour-modification centres', we FIX OURSELVES. |
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| Author: | Shippinator Mandy [ Wed Feb 22, 2006 4:11 pm ] |
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Funkstar wrote: *get's into angry pose*
So he wants Britain now, does he? Well it's be the end of the world before our country get's on it's knees to such crap! Over here, we don't believe in phycology, or your stupid 'behaviour-modification centres', we FIX OURSELVES. Well, I don't think psychology and psychiatry are the problems, really. I mean, I go to a psychiatrist and it's helped me immensely. The problem here is that this ISN'T a psychology center. It seems more like a prison to me. And putting a child in a (pardon my French) hellhole like this is not going to help them. If anything, it's going to leave them psychologically scarred. It's child abuse, basically. |
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| Author: | Ju Ju Master [ Wed Feb 22, 2006 5:34 pm ] |
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The people who made this want to do good, but they're going about it the wrong way. There are much better ways of getting someone to be a better citizen. The whole start of the problem is bad parentings, parents really need to take more responsibility for their kids, but the one's who don't want to are the people who just keep having more and more kids. It's not right. |
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| Author: | Code J [ Thu Feb 23, 2006 3:35 am ] |
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Wow, usually not too many news articles make me have this kind of reaction. Rrrggg...it makes me mad that stuff like this goes on. |
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| Author: | sb_enail.com [ Fri Feb 24, 2006 3:47 am ] |
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Wow. Sounds horrible. I saw brat camp on TV, and it actually sounded pretty good. But this... this is deplorable. Do the parents even know what's going on? Are they told that their children will be beaten? |
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| Author: | Mr.KISS [ Sun Feb 26, 2006 7:58 am ] |
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Argh... Just, Argh... |
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| Author: | Schmelen [ Sun Feb 26, 2006 8:21 am ] |
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Jeez. There's a good way to make your kid hate you. |
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| Author: | ikwaylx [ Sun Feb 26, 2006 1:26 pm ] |
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That place is...Wow. That's just criiminal |
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| Author: | Ju Ju Master [ Sun Feb 26, 2006 3:11 pm ] |
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sb_enail.com wrote: Wow. Sounds horrible. I saw brat camp on TV, and it actually sounded pretty good. But this... this is deplorable. Do the parents even know what's going on? Are they told that their children will be beaten?
Yeah, I saw that show, too. That worked. This just makes a kid afraid. |
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| Author: | sb_enail.com [ Mon Feb 27, 2006 1:39 am ] |
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Yeah, and fear is the path to the Dark Side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering. You can't rule children by fear. I mean, yeah, you can go right ahead and do that, but you seriously screw up their mental development and give them a messed up view of the world. |
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| Author: | Norman Rorqual [ Sat Mar 04, 2006 1:52 am ] |
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I can't believe this is a true story. I mean, I don't seriously think someone made it up, but it's hard to believe this is possible. This doesn't sound like real life; this sounds like some kind of middle school horror novel. How can people do this to kids?? The parents can't possibly know what's going on here. What will happen to these kids? Are they screwed up for life; will they just snap eventually? Ug, I still can't believe it. Just think what it would be like to go through that. I can't imagine. I don't need to say it's horrible. It's easy enough to see reading it that the whole thing is one of the most frightening things I've ever heard. So I'll pick out two things; the "observation" punishment and the "therepy" sessions. The punishment here sounds insane. I was trying to think as I was reading this how one could possibly avoid surrendering their mind, how you could resist them changing the way you think, and the only thing I could think of was that you would just refuse to do anything. Don't go to the programs, don't even get out of bed. Then it turns out that they don't care if you don't do anything. Their main form of punishment is to make you lie on your stomach all day in a bare room on a cold floor. You can't just refuse to participate because they will out-wait you; they'll make you lie there for six whole months until you decide you can't stand it anymore. How do they get them to lay completley still, I wonder, if they move do they get beaten? What if you refused to eat? They would force it down your throat till you gag? I wonder if it would take someone dying in the program for the government to start taking notice. I wonder if anyone has already died there. And then the therapy. The anorexic girl who feels ugly, worthless. Some people have mentioned Brat Camp, except that brat camp actually works. In brat camp, as far as I know, they at least affirm the child, don't they? They let the child know that they are not worthless, that they are loved. Here, the message is the opposite. "Why do you think anyone cares about you?" "If you don't mess up, you go home." WHY WHY WHY can these people not understand that the girl needs to be loved, needs to know that she's not worthless, needs to know she is a wonderful human being? And it's not the adults either, they train her peers to abuse her like that. When they should be saying, "You are a good person, you don't have to be like this," they are saying "You are a horrible person, just stop thinking like that and you will be worth something." I don't care who you are, complete disreguard for the worth of other human beings like that is just sick. The guy doens't know that kids need love, yet he thinks he can run a treatment center? Parents shouldn't be spending so much money on this thing. Got a kid with a bad attitude? Just chain them up in your basement and hit them with a two by four every day until they say that you are the most wonderful parent in the world, and that they will be good from now on. |
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| Author: | chaking [ Sat Mar 04, 2006 2:58 am ] |
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18 months is the longest acknowledged time a student spent laying on their face in OP... -Yes they will beat you if you don't lay perfectly still -Yes they will beat you if you don't get out of bed -Yes kids have died there --- One kid jumped off the roof to her death... They used another student's towel to clean up the blood, and gave the blood soaked towel back to the student... -Yes they will force you to eat food |
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| Author: | StrongRad [ Sat Mar 04, 2006 3:06 am ] |
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chaking wrote: 18 months is the longest acknowledged time a student spent laying on their face in OP...
-Yes they will beat you if you don't lay perfectly still -Yes they will beat you if you don't get out of bed -Yes kids have died there --- One kid jumped off the roof to her death... They used another student's towel to clean up the blood, and gave the blood soaked towel back to the student... -Yes they will force you to eat food How do you know this? |
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| Author: | Ju Ju Master [ Sat Mar 04, 2006 3:10 am ] |
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StrongRad wrote: chaking wrote: 18 months is the longest acknowledged time a student spent laying on their face in OP... -Yes they will beat you if you don't lay perfectly still -Yes they will beat you if you don't get out of bed -Yes kids have died there --- One kid jumped off the roof to her death... They used another student's towel to clean up the blood, and gave the blood soaked towel back to the student... -Yes they will force you to eat food How do you know this? In one of the articles above, it said that one kid was lying on their face for 18 months, and that you are forced to eat at least 50% of each meal, so I know those two are true. |
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| Author: | StrongRad [ Sat Mar 04, 2006 3:15 am ] |
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Ju Ju Master wrote: StrongRad wrote: chaking wrote: 18 months is the longest acknowledged time a student spent laying on their face in OP... -Yes they will beat you if you don't lay perfectly still -Yes they will beat you if you don't get out of bed -Yes kids have died there --- One kid jumped off the roof to her death... They used another student's towel to clean up the blood, and gave the blood soaked towel back to the student... -Yes they will force you to eat food How do you know this? In one of the articles above, it said that one kid was lying on their face for 18 months, and that you are forced to eat at least 50% of each meal, so I know those two are true. Because it's in the article? That doesn't make it true... Their site doesn't mention any of that stuff, so using the "it's in an article" thinking, it can't happen. (no I'm not saying that, I don't know what goes on there).. |
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| Author: | Norman Rorqual [ Sat Mar 04, 2006 3:20 am ] |
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StrongRad wrote: Because it's in the article? That doesn't make it true...
Their site doesn't mention any of that stuff, so using the "it's in an article" thinking, it can't happen. (no I'm not saying that, I don't know what goes on there).. I don't understand your meaning... 18 months, hoo, that's a lot worse than 6. I would think there would be some serious health issues if you laid still all day for 18 months. I thought boot camps were supposed to use exercise and physical labor to get you to change; laying on your face serves no purpose at all except as torture... |
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| Author: | chaking [ Sat Mar 04, 2006 3:45 am ] |
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I was there in 99.. I am the admin of tbfight.com |
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