Down with the veg?

Mikes! · **Joined:** Thu Mar 10, 2005 12:53 am **Posts:** 350

I'm a freegan. Freeganism is my kind of system 'cos it's one where the freegan abstains from any animal product or food when she's purchasing it, but if an animal product is obtained without contributing money (ie, stealing) it's all fine and dandy to use it. That way, one never actively contributes to any animal abuse, and still hurts the system that creates it because it's not compensated. Before decided on freeganism, I had been a vegetarian for the last two years of my life, but then realized that I really didn't need any animal products, so I decided to try out freeganism about six months ago, because it combined my love of counter-economics and exceptions. And no, I don't really support PETA, and I'm not really influenced by them at all. I'm sure that animal abuse is more widespread and terrible than most people imagine, but by no means am I willing to go to PETA's lengths to force people to change their dietary habits. I'd rather just live the life I want, and let people do their own thing too.

So here's the question: Any vegetarians or vegans around here? If so, what made you choose that lifestyle? How long have you been following it?

InterruptorJones · **Posted:** Sat Feb 11, 2006 4:21 pm

Mikes! wrote:

Ibut if an animal product is obtained without contributing money (ie, stealing) it's all fine and dandy to use it.

Oh, yeah, that's gonna do wonders for vegetarianism and veganism's public image.. :rolleyes:

Er.. anyway, you seem to have misinterpreted your own ideology. According to the Wikipedia, most "freegans" go dumpster-diving for their food, which isn't theft (though it's often trespassing). Which, I think, makes your brand of freeganism plain old petty crime.

Code J · **Posted:** Sat Feb 11, 2006 6:29 pm

Well, I've been a vegetarian for 9-somthing years. It just dosn't seem right to rob animals of their lives just so we have somthing to snack on.

Mikes! · **Joined:** Thu Mar 10, 2005 12:53 am **Posts:** 350

InterruptorJones wrote:

Mikes! wrote:

Ibut if an animal product is obtained without contributing money (ie, stealing) it's all fine and dandy to use it.

Oh, yeah, that's gonna do wonders for vegetarianism and veganism's public image.. :rolleyes:

Er.. anyway, you seem to have misinterpreted your own ideology. According to the Wikipedia, most "freegans" go dumpster-diving for their food, which isn't theft (though it's often trespassing). Which, I think, makes your brand of freeganism plain old petty crime.

I was joking. I, unlike some of my friends, don't shoplift.

BUT
1. "According to wikipedia," Well that can mean a lot of things.
2. Dumpster diving can either be fun or extremely disgusting and lame. Dive at your own risk.
3. Freeganism is closely associated with anti-capitalist anarchism, so many freegans actually do steal/cheat/whatever from corporations to get their free stuff.

Mr.KISS · **Posted:** Sat Feb 11, 2006 8:22 pm

I'm not a vegetarian, but I like your "freeganism" thing. The reason I don;t want to be vegan/vegetarian is mostly because I don't see what the problem with eating meat is as long as I didn't kill it. I've heard the whole "supporting the evil people" argument, but it doesn;t do anything for me for some reason.

Didymus · **Posted:** Sat Feb 11, 2006 9:10 pm

It's supposedly because you benefit from a living creature's death. Well, here's some news: when you eat vegetables, you are still benefiting from the death of a living thing.

IantheGecko · **Posted:** Sun Feb 12, 2006 12:50 am

Those poor little carrots!

I'm gonna start an amino acid farm!

InterruptorJones · **Posted:** Sun Feb 12, 2006 1:00 am

Didymus wrote:

Well, here's some news: when you eat vegetables, you are still benefiting from the death of a living thing.

Cue the "Do plants have souls?" thread...

Choc-o-Lardiac Arrest · **Posted:** Sun Feb 12, 2006 2:21 am

ill get right on it, IJ......no

still seems liek stealing for me. why dont we just try good old human meat? its not stealing if we get it from our own friends.

[s]mmmmm! toung and Kidney pie![/s]

sb_enail.com · **Posted:** Sun Feb 12, 2006 3:07 am

Whenever I hear about vegetarians, I think of that Arrogant Worms song, Carrot Juice is Murder.

Listen up brothers and sisters, come here my desperate tale
I speak of our friends of nature, trapped in the dirt like a jail
Vegtables live in oppression, served on out tables each night
This killing of veggies is madness, I say we take up the fight
Salads are only for murderers, cole slaw’s a fascist regime
Don’t think that they don’t have feelings, just cause a radish can’t scream

I’ve heard the screams of the vegetables, watching their skins being peeled
Grated and steamed with no mercy.. how do you think that feels?
Carrot juice constitutes murder.. greenhouses prisons for slaves
It’s time to stop all this gardening.. let’s call a spade a spade.

I saw a man eating celery, so I beat him black and blue
If he ever touches a sprout again, I’ll bite him clean in two
I’m a political prisoner, trapped in a windowless cage
’cause I stopped the slaughter of turnips, by killing five men in a rage
I told the judge when he sentenced me, this is my finest hour..
I’d kill those farmers again, just to save one more cauliflower

I’ve heard the screams of the vegetables, watching their skins being peeled
Grated and steamed with no mercy.. how do you think that feels?
Carrot juice constitutes murder.. greenhouses prisons for slaves
It’s time to stop all this gardening.. let’s call a spade a spade.

How low as people do we dare to stoop
Making our broccolis bleed in the soup
Untie your beans, uncage your tomatoes
Let potted plants free, don’t mash that potato!

I’ve heard the screams of the vegetables, watching their skins being peeled
Grated and steamed with no mercy.. how do you think that feels?
Carrot juice constitutes murder.. greenhouses prisons for slaves
It’s time to stop all this gardening.. let’s call a spade a spade.
Is a spade is a spade is a spade is a... spade

Choc-o-Lardiac Arrest · **Posted:** Sun Feb 12, 2006 3:09 am

heh, why dont e just start to filter feed like certain sea sponges or fish?

StrongRad · **Posted:** Sun Feb 12, 2006 3:26 am

good song sb_enail!

You do know that Vegans are out to destroy the world by removing all of our oxygen, right?
See, I eat cows. That keeps the cows from eating plants that remove CO2 from the air and making Oxygen.
When you don't eat the cow, you allow it to kill the plant, plus you allow it to burp Methane (a greenhouse gas) into the air.
Kill the animals, save the plants. Save the plants, save the planet!

Ideas like that ensured I was going to stay in Public Schools when I was a wee one. Still, it's no crazier than PETA's "Your daddy is a murderer" comic.
:mrgreen:

Beyond the Grave · **Posted:** Sun Feb 12, 2006 3:30 am

I went to a private school and I thought the same way.

And for you veg-heads out there, I didn't rise to the top of the food chain to eat carrots.

seamusz · **Posted:** Mon Feb 13, 2006 5:16 pm

Maynard wrote:

And the angel of the lord came unto me, snatching me up from my place of slumber. And took me on high, and higher still until we moved to the spaces betwixt the air itself. And he brought me into a vast farmlands of our own midwest. And as we descended, cries of impending doom rose from the soil. One thousand, nay a million voices full of fear. And terror possesed me then. And I begged, "Angel of the Lord, what are these tortured screams?" And the angel said unto me, "These are the cries of the carrots, the cries of the carrots! You see, Reverend Maynard, tomorrow is harvest day and to them it is the holocaust." And I sprang from my slumber drenched in sweat like the tears of one million terrified brothers and roared, "Hear me now, I have seen the light! They have a consciousness, they have a life, they have a soul! Damn you! Let the rabbits wear glasses! Save our brothers!" Can I get an amen? Can I get a hallelujah? Thank you Jesus.

Amen

Jello B. · **Posted:** Mon Feb 13, 2006 10:28 pm

seamusz wrote:

Maynard wrote:

And the angel of the lord came unto me, snatching me up from my place of slumber. And took me on high, and higher still until we moved to the spaces betwixt the air itself. And he brought me into a vast farmlands of our own midwest. And as we descended, cries of impending doom rose from the soil. One thousand, nay a million voices full of fear. And terror possesed me then. And I begged, "Angel of the Lord, what are these tortured screams?" And the angel said unto me, "These are the cries of the carrots, the cries of the carrots! You see, Reverend Maynard, tomorrow is harvest day and to them it is the holocaust." And I sprang from my slumber drenched in sweat like the tears of one million terrified brothers and roared, "Hear me now, I have seen the light! They have a consciousness, they have a life, they have a soul! Damn you! Let the rabbits wear glasses! Save our brothers!" Can I get an amen? Can I get a hallelujah? Thank you Jesus.

Amen

DANGIT! I was going to post that!

Norman Rorqual · **Posted:** Sat Mar 04, 2006 3:34 am

Mikes! wrote:

Ibut if an animal product is obtained without contributing money (ie, stealing) it's all fine and dandy to use it.

Hmmm, maybe eating meat products at a friend's house that the friend would have eaten any way would be a better example?
I know this girl, who claims she's a vegetarian for the economic ecological reasons, but she won't even taste meat. But if I bought it, and I'm gonna eat it, she wouldn't be contributing to the system, would she?

Edit: Who's Maynard? He sounds right on track, it's about time we learned how to download our energy directly from the sun instead of engaging in this barbaric and unenlighened practice of "eating"

StrongRad · **Posted:** Sat Mar 04, 2006 3:51 am

Norman Rorqual wrote:

Edit: Who's Maynard? He sounds right on track, it's about time we learned how to download our energy directly from the sun instead of engaging in this barbaric and unenlighened practice of "eating"

If some people would quit eating the plants, maybe they would teach us how.

seamusz · **Posted:** Sat Mar 04, 2006 4:55 pm

Norman Rorqual wrote:

Edit: Who's Maynard? He sounds right on track, it's about time we learned how to download our energy directly from the sun instead of engaging in this barbaric and unenlighened practice of "eating"

Maynard Keenan is the lead singer and main writing talent of a band called Tool. He also heads up a side project called A Perfect Circle. Both are exellent bands. The quote is from the album Undertow track 69 called Disgustipated.

EDIT:

The rest of the lyrics wrote:

And the angel of the lord came unto me, snatching me up from my place of slumber. And took me on high, and higher still until we moved to the spaces betwixt the air itself. And he brought me into a vast farmlands of our own midwest. And as we descended, cries of impending doom rose from the soil. One thousand, nay a million voices full of fear. And terror possesed me then. And I begged, "Angel of the Lord, what are these tortured screams?" And the angel said unto me, "These are the cries of the carrots, the cries of the carrots! You see, Reverend Maynard, tomorrow is harvest day and to them it is the holocaust." And I sprang from my slumber drenched in sweat like the tears of one million terrified brothers and roared, "Hear me now, I have seen the light! They have a consciousness, they have a life, they have a soul! Damn you! Let the rabbits wear glasses! Save our brothers!" Can I get an amen? Can I get a hallelujah? Thank you Jesus.

Life feeds on life feeds on life feeds on life feeds on........

This is necessary.

It was daylight when you woke up in your ditch. You looked up at your sky then. That made blue be your color. You had your knife there with you too. When you stood up there was goo all over your clothes. Your hands were sticky. You wiped them on your grass, so now your color was green. Oh Lord, why did everything always have to keep changing like this. You were already getting nervous again. Your head hurt and it rang when you stood up. Your head was almost empty. It always hurt you when you woke up like this. You crawled up out of your ditch onto your gravel road and began to walk, waiting for the rest of your mind to come back to you. You can see the car parked far down the road and you walked toward it. "If God is our Father," you thought, "then Satan must be our cousin." Why didn't anyone else understand these important things? You got to your car and tried all the doors. They were locked. It was a red car and it was new. There was an expensive leather camera case laying on the seat. Out across your field, you could see two tiny people walking by your woods. You began to walk towards them. Now red was your color and, of course, those little people out there were yours too.

Plastique · **Posted:** Mon Mar 06, 2006 7:47 pm