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It only disenfranchises those who are in this country illegally.

Exactly how difficult is it to obtain a photo ID of some kind?

I've never tried, as I have a driver's license.

But for someone who has made the attempt, please enlighten me.

I know that here you have to go to the DMV and stand there for hours, hoping to get help. As far as I know, you have to pay for an ID or license here in Alabama (and I know you do in Kentucky).

With the wave of security, especially after 9/11, you have to prove residence and a bunch of other things. For someone who doesn't have the documents you use for that, it's a pain.

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Okay, for starters, while the service at the DMV is far from speedy, you have more than a "hope" that you'll get help.

How much do you have to pay for just a regular ID?

And if you live somewhere, why wouldn't you have proof of residence?

The people this disenfranchises most are the homeless and those living below the poverty line. If you don't have a car you can't get a license, $15 is three meals for your family, and taking even an hour off work to go to the DMV is out of the question.

Maybe have an ID day at employeers or something. Hmm, there's a good, albeit expensive idea.

StrongRad wrote:

Maybe have an ID day at employeers or something. Hmm, there's a good, albeit expensive idea.

Waitaminute. . . How the heck did somebody get a job in the first place without an ID? Even for the crappy KMart job I had back in high school, I needed to prove I was me. They gave me that I-9 form that explained which documents would be acceptable forms of ID in order for me to be hired. I'm sure all of you have seen this form. Shouldn't all employers be requiring these documents. Therefore, shouldn't anybody with a job have an ID?

And of course ID should be required to vote. If that means we have to find a way to get the homeless and extreme-poverty-stricken some form of ID, then so be it. But then that makes me wonder . . how many homeless people watch the debates, and know the candidates and their stances on the issues? Do we allow the "crazy" homeless people to vote? Do we need some sort of literacy test? I don't think that's worked out too well in the past.
I know none of this really relates to the original question, but this is where my mind goes when I start thinking about this stuff.

Perhaps allowing only voters who are educated enough (about the candidates, not eduacated in general) vote would be a good idea. Of course, this would be kinda unconstitutional, and would cut voter turnout to something like 10%.

Ok, back to the ID thing. Most places that require an ID when voting require one that is valid. If it is expired, it is no longer valid (which is strange, because you wake up one morning, and you're John Smith. The next day, the license expires and suddenly you're not John Smith?). So the issue of people with a job, yet not having a valid ID is possible, as it can expire after they get a job, and if you're working 7-4 M-F at your local Wal-Mart, getting to the DMV can be a real pain (at least back home, as they're open 8-4 M-F, and close at 11:30-12:30 for lunch.

Author:	lahimatoa [ Tue Feb 07, 2006 11:25 pm ]
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Click. Longer lines, my patootie. What's so wrong about requiring someone to bring a driver's license? It only disenfranchises those who are in this country illegally.

Author:	StrongRad [ Tue Feb 07, 2006 11:35 pm ]
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That's funny, in Kentucky, no ID, no vote. There is an exception, though. If you're known personally by 2 of the 3 poll officials, you don't have to present an ID (that works great in my precinct back home, as there are something like 300 voters, most of which had the poll officials as teachers at one point or another. Dunno about the Ohio bill. Personally, I'd like to think that multiple votes aren't a problem. A majority of registered voters can't be bothered to vote once, much less multiple times. They could make this simple, though, and say you can only vote in your precinct or by absentee ballot. If you aren't on the book in your precinct, too bad. It's a pain for the person that's left off, BUT it'd keep multiple votes from happening without backing up lines. From all the comments on the thread you posted, it would seem that people on that board are more in favor of this bill than your title would have one believe.

Author:	InterruptorJones [ Wed Feb 08, 2006 12:42 am ]
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lahimatoa wrote: It only disenfranchises those who are in this country illegally. And everyone who doesn't have a driver's license or other form of photo ID.

Author:	lahimatoa [ Wed Feb 08, 2006 2:31 am ]
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Exactly how difficult is it to obtain a photo ID of some kind? I've never tried, as I have a driver's license. But for someone who has made the attempt, please enlighten me.

Author:	StrongRad [ Wed Feb 08, 2006 2:45 am ]
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lahimatoa wrote: Exactly how difficult is it to obtain a photo ID of some kind? I've never tried, as I have a driver's license. But for someone who has made the attempt, please enlighten me. I know that here you have to go to the DMV and stand there for hours, hoping to get help. As far as I know, you have to pay for an ID or license here in Alabama (and I know you do in Kentucky). With the wave of security, especially after 9/11, you have to prove residence and a bunch of other things. For someone who doesn't have the documents you use for that, it's a pain.

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Author:	lahimatoa [ Wed Feb 08, 2006 2:54 am ]
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Quote: I know that here you have to go to the DMV and stand there for hours, hoping to get help. As far as I know, you have to pay for an ID or license here in Alabama (and I know you do in Kentucky). With the wave of security, especially after 9/11, you have to prove residence and a bunch of other things. For someone who doesn't have the documents you use for that, it's a pain. Okay, for starters, while the service at the DMV is far from speedy, you have more than a "hope" that you'll get help. How much do you have to pay for just a regular ID? And if you live somewhere, why wouldn't you have proof of residence?

Author:	StrongRad [ Wed Feb 08, 2006 3:02 am ]
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lahimatoa wrote: Quote: I know that here you have to go to the DMV and stand there for hours, hoping to get help. As far as I know, you have to pay for an ID or license here in Alabama (and I know you do in Kentucky). With the wave of security, especially after 9/11, you have to prove residence and a bunch of other things. For someone who doesn't have the documents you use for that, it's a pain. Okay, for starters, while the service at the DMV is far from speedy, you have more than a "hope" that you'll get help. How much do you have to pay for just a regular ID? And if you live somewhere, why wouldn't you have proof of residence? I think that they're $15 in Kentucky Proof of residence can be difficult, depending on what they call "proof". Some people, like homeless people, may not have proof of residence. Also, if you're living with someone who pays all the bills and such, you may not have any bills with your name and address on them. Of course, I still think this bill is a good idea, provided we can get those kinks worked out.

Author:	lahimatoa [ Wed Feb 08, 2006 4:03 am ]
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Well maybe the democrats can sent out voter stamps people can use to purchase ID if they have are legally here.

Author:	StrongRad [ Wed Feb 08, 2006 4:04 am ]
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InterruptorJones wrote: The people this disenfranchises most are the homeless and those living below the poverty line. If you don't have a car you can't get a license, $15 is three meals for your family, and taking even an hour off work to go to the DMV is out of the question. ummm, yea, what he said, basically. Of course, I still think this would be a good idea if people could easily get an ID. Maybe have an ID day at employeers or something. Hmm, there's a good, albeit expensive idea.

Author:	Amorican [ Wed Feb 08, 2006 10:17 am ]
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StrongRad wrote: Maybe have an ID day at employeers or something. Hmm, there's a good, albeit expensive idea. Waitaminute. . . How the heck did somebody get a job in the first place without an ID? Even for the crappy KMart job I had back in high school, I needed to prove I was me. They gave me that I-9 form that explained which documents would be acceptable forms of ID in order for me to be hired. I'm sure all of you have seen this form. Shouldn't all employers be requiring these documents. Therefore, shouldn't anybody with a job have an ID? And of course ID should be required to vote. If that means we have to find a way to get the homeless and extreme-poverty-stricken some form of ID, then so be it. But then that makes me wonder . . how many homeless people watch the debates, and know the candidates and their stances on the issues? Do we allow the "crazy" homeless people to vote? Do we need some sort of literacy test? I don't think that's worked out too well in the past. I know none of this really relates to the original question, but this is where my mind goes when I start thinking about this stuff.

Author:	StrongRad [ Wed Feb 08, 2006 3:07 pm ]
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Amorican wrote: StrongRad wrote: Maybe have an ID day at employeers or something. Hmm, there's a good, albeit expensive idea. Waitaminute. . . How the heck did somebody get a job in the first place without an ID? Even for the crappy KMart job I had back in high school, I needed to prove I was me. They gave me that I-9 form that explained which documents would be acceptable forms of ID in order for me to be hired. I'm sure all of you have seen this form. Shouldn't all employers be requiring these documents. Therefore, shouldn't anybody with a job have an ID? And of course ID should be required to vote. If that means we have to find a way to get the homeless and extreme-poverty-stricken some form of ID, then so be it. But then that makes me wonder . . how many homeless people watch the debates, and know the candidates and their stances on the issues? Do we allow the "crazy" homeless people to vote? Do we need some sort of literacy test? I don't think that's worked out too well in the past. I know none of this really relates to the original question, but this is where my mind goes when I start thinking about this stuff. Well, we allow all sorts of crazy people to vote. I mean, W has gotten elected twice and people are thinking that Hillary Clinton has a shot at the White House. Seems to me that we're already letting crazy people vote. There are a lot of people who don't watch the debates. They already know that they're just going to vote Democrat or Republican because the other party's candidate couldn't possibly be better than theirs, or they let CBS, CNN, and Fox News tell them who to vote for. Perhaps allowing only voters who are educated enough (about the candidates, not eduacated in general) vote would be a good idea. Of course, this would be kinda unconstitutional, and would cut voter turnout to something like 10%. Ok, back to the ID thing. Most places that require an ID when voting require one that is valid. If it is expired, it is no longer valid (which is strange, because you wake up one morning, and you're John Smith. The next day, the license expires and suddenly you're not John Smith?). So the issue of people with a job, yet not having a valid ID is possible, as it can expire after they get a job, and if you're working 7-4 M-F at your local Wal-Mart, getting to the DMV can be a real pain (at least back home, as they're open 8-4 M-F, and close at 11:30-12:30 for lunch. But, yeah, I still support the idea of only registered, ID'd voters voting (with the caveat that I know there are some kinks in registration and ID'ing to work out).

Author:	racerx_is_alive [ Wed Feb 08, 2006 4:24 pm ]
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StrongRad wrote: Perhaps allowing only voters who are educated enough (about the candidates, not eduacated in general) vote would be a good idea. Of course, this would be kinda unconstitutional, and would cut voter turnout to something like 10%. Originally, they tried to come up with a balance between educated people and the masses having an effect upon the course of the nation. I'm not talking about literacy tests, but the masses got to pick the house (and indicate who they wanted as president), and the "elite" got to pick the senate and the president. The senate used to be appointed by the governors of the state, just as the electoral voters are now. The senators were there so that the masses couldn't do things to ruin stuff for the elite, as the house was there so that the elite couldn't be unfair to the masses. StrongRad wrote: Ok, back to the ID thing. Most places that require an ID when voting require one that is valid. If it is expired, it is no longer valid (which is strange, because you wake up one morning, and you're John Smith. The next day, the license expires and suddenly you're not John Smith?). So the issue of people with a job, yet not having a valid ID is possible, as it can expire after they get a job, and if you're working 7-4 M-F at your local Wal-Mart, getting to the DMV can be a real pain (at least back home, as they're open 8-4 M-F, and close at 11:30-12:30 for lunch. I'm having trouble finding some current information, but here is a brief glimpse at voter ID legislation throughout the country. It seems that quite a few allow expired ID, and many even accept things such as a utility bill + bank statement or showing a blank check that has your name and address on it.

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