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This is coming from the guy who doesn't believe that Jesus is God.

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Just Accept Jesus As Savior.

No thanks, I'll pass.

its just simple you guys, it doesnt require switching religions, it doesnt mean that you should go to church and pray, you just gotta accept jesus as the guy who gave his life for you. thats it, im still in the Cult of Yog-Sothoth, and nothing is gonna change tha, but deep down inside of me, i recognize jesus as my Savior.

St. Paul points out in 1 Corinthians, ("What fellowship does light have with darkness?").

This is coming from the guy who doesn't believe that Jesus is God.

But since you're Jewish, you're still waiting for the Messiah.

correct. but "waiting for the Messiah" isn't the whole point of my life. we're here on earth to help people and make the world the kind of place that would deserve the Messiah. this world is holier than heaven.

COLA - Uhm... you can't technically still worship Yog-Sothoth and accept Christ... What are you, a cultist with a backup plan or something?

thanks, DeathlyPallor. that is my outlook because i'm Jewish, and Judaism does not proselytize; on the contrary, we're supposed to actively discourage people who express interest in converting. because it's fundamental to Judaism that "the righteous of all nations have a portion in the World to Come." meaning that it's not necessary, expected, or even hoped, that everyone will convert to Judaism in order to be "saved." for non-Jews, just being a good person is enough.

I mean... I happened to view spirituality this way. As a stained glass lamp. The candle's light is sent through each one of the different colors, each color being a different religion, but all are illuminated by the same light.

Just another interpretation of the light through a different color. No light cancels another out (Don't you think that statement was arrogant??),. They all show a section of the same initial point...

Cultural hegemony at work... Frankly, I don't care. I've read the bible... It's not my path. So spare yourself some grief and don't waste your time... because many have failed. Don't pull any holier than thou crap on me. I don't preach to you.

Just another interpretation of the light through a different color. No light cancels another out (Don't you think that statement was arrogant??),. They all show a section of the same initial point...

Jeez... why don't you just burn me at the stake already! *dunks self in gasoline*

But all kidding aside, no one can be sure what death brings. Christians believe our souls either go to Heaven, Hell or Purgatory, which will eventually get one to Heaven anyway.

Hell, huh? Well, I'll let you know what it's like when I get there, fellas.

But all kidding aside, no one can be sure what death brings. Christians believe our souls either go to Heaven, Hell or Purgatory, which will eventually get one to Heaven anyway. I don't know what other religions believe (I was born and raised a Roman Catholic, but I, personally, am agnostic). Hell could be a way to scare the faithful into repetance, or it could be a real, physical place. It could be a total seperation from God (as I recall, that is how it is OFFICIALLY defined in the Catholic church) or it could be other people.

We don't know. That's the mystery. If there is a Hell, what is it like? If there is no Hell, then what is there? Such conversations never cease to interest me. I'm not exceptionally well-educated so I prefer to keep my nose out of the whole mess, but I certainly pay attention. If nothing else, it's something to think about.

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But all kidding aside, no one can be sure what death brings. Christians believe our souls either go to Heaven, Hell or Purgatory, which will eventually get one to Heaven anyway.

Well, I think most Christians don't believe in purgatory (my denomination definitely doesn't). It doens't teach it in the Bible.

you guys...ive discovered the way for all to follow....... it requires nothing but this one thing.....this one thing that doesnt require you to switch to a different religion or anything...just this one thing.. no Hail Mary's, no Penance rope... heaven is nondenominational, which means that you can be of any religion..... there is only one thing that you have to do....Just Accept Jesus As Savior.

Author:	DeadGaySon [ Mon Jan 16, 2006 3:03 pm ]
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I heard the smartest person I know once say that hell is a place where you're furthest from god. Perhaps the tales of hellfire and pitchforks and icy lakes were just for effect. EDIT: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!TOTPD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Author:	Choc-o-Lardiac Arrest [ Mon Jan 16, 2006 9:15 pm ]
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its just simple you guys, it doesnt require switching religions, it doesnt mean that you should go to church and pray, you just gotta accept jesus as the guy who gave his life for you. thats it, im still in the Cult of Yog-Sothoth, and nothing is gonna change tha, but deep down inside of me, i recognize jesus as my Savior.

Author:	IantheGecko [ Mon Jan 16, 2006 9:16 pm ]
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This is coming from the guy who doesn't believe that Jesus is God.

Author:	Choc-o-Lardiac Arrest [ Mon Jan 16, 2006 9:18 pm ]
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IantheGecko wrote: This is coming from the guy who doesn't believe that Jesus is God. yeah, so?

Author:	Cobalt [ Mon Jan 16, 2006 9:18 pm ]
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DeathlyPallor wrote: Quote: Just Accept Jesus As Savior. No thanks, I'll pass. seconded. i'd rather die.

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Author:	IantheGecko [ Mon Jan 16, 2006 9:20 pm ]
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That's what Jesus did. But since you're Jewish, you're still waiting for the Messiah.

Author:	Didymus [ Mon Jan 16, 2006 9:23 pm ]
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Choc-o-Lardiac Arrest wrote: its just simple you guys, it doesnt require switching religions, it doesnt mean that you should go to church and pray, you just gotta accept jesus as the guy who gave his life for you. thats it, im still in the Cult of Yog-Sothoth, and nothing is gonna change tha, but deep down inside of me, i recognize jesus as my Savior. Choco, as St. Paul points out in 1 Corinthians, you cannot simultaneoulsy serve false gods and the true one ("What fellowship does light have with darkness?"). How can you claim to know Christ, yet still serve this Yog-Sothoth? Whether you recognize it or not, you are not exactly acting as one who belongs to Christ in doing so. Or do you honestly believe that he doesn't care?

Author:	DeathlyPallor [ Mon Jan 16, 2006 10:27 pm ]
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Quote: St. Paul points out in 1 Corinthians, ("What fellowship does light have with darkness?"). Without the darkness, how would you know what is light. Darkness must be present in all to show that there is light. You must embrace that evil which lies within to allow the light to be prevalent as well, because you would not know light without anything to contrast, and you would not have dark without anything to contrast. It's balance. COLA - Uhm... you can't technically still worship Yog-Sothoth and accept Christ... What are you, a cultist with a backup plan or something? Quote: This is coming from the guy who doesn't believe that Jesus is God. Jesus is the supposed son of god. Him being a personification of god was metaphor. But that can be left to interpretation....

Author:	Cobalt [ Mon Jan 16, 2006 11:16 pm ]
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IantheGecko wrote: But since you're Jewish, you're still waiting for the Messiah. correct. but "waiting for the Messiah" isn't the whole point of my life. we're here on earth to help people and make the world the kind of place that would deserve the Messiah. this world is holier than heaven.

Author:	DeathlyPallor [ Tue Jan 17, 2006 12:19 am ]
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Quote: correct. but "waiting for the Messiah" isn't the whole point of my life. we're here on earth to help people and make the world the kind of place that would deserve the Messiah. this world is holier than heaven. I see this as a more noble cause than trying to convert people. Kudos, cobalt.

Author:	Cobalt [ Tue Jan 17, 2006 12:29 am ]
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thanks, DeathlyPallor. that is my outlook because i'm Jewish, and Judaism does not proselytize; on the contrary, we're supposed to actively discourage people who express interest in converting. because it's fundamental to Judaism that "the righteous of all nations have a portion in the World to Come." meaning that it's not necessary, expected, or even hoped, that everyone will convert to Judaism in order to be "saved." for non-Jews, just being a good person is enough. it seems perfectly logical to me, which is one of the reasons that i have for believing in Judaism.

Author:	Choc-o-Lardiac Arrest [ Tue Jan 17, 2006 2:00 am ]
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DeathlyPallor wrote: COLA - Uhm... you can't technically still worship Yog-Sothoth and accept Christ... What are you, a cultist with a backup plan or something? yes, i have a plan for everything, being just a missunderstood teenager im gonna freelance with religions till i hit rock bottom.

Author:	DeathlyPallor [ Tue Jan 17, 2006 2:02 am ]
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Cobalt wrote: thanks, DeathlyPallor. that is my outlook because i'm Jewish, and Judaism does not proselytize; on the contrary, we're supposed to actively discourage people who express interest in converting. because it's fundamental to Judaism that "the righteous of all nations have a portion in the World to Come." meaning that it's not necessary, expected, or even hoped, that everyone will convert to Judaism in order to be "saved." for non-Jews, just being a good person is enough. That is a completely logical outlook. Although I am not Jewish, I share a lot of the same ideas, if that wasn't already evident. You shouldn't have to be condemned because you don't follow the same beliefs as someone. I mean... I happened to view spirituality this way. As a stained glass lamp. The candle's light is sent through each one of the different colors, each color being a different religion, but all are illuminated by the same light.

Author:	ed 'lim' smilde [ Tue Jan 17, 2006 2:43 am ]
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DeathlyPallor wrote: I mean... I happened to view spirituality this way. As a stained glass lamp. The candle's light is sent through each one of the different colors, each color being a different religion, but all are illuminated by the same light. But what happens when one cancels out another?

Author:	Didymus [ Fri Jan 20, 2006 12:27 am ]
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I don't believe in Purgatory, at least not in the Dante sense. I think of Purgatory as those places we face in this life that are very painful, and yet push us ever closer to God. I've been through such a place in my life. Last year, in fact. Let's just say I suffered immensely, but through it, God both showed his unconditional love for me, and through it, healed me of a particular sin that had a firm grip on my life. As painful as it was, I wouldn't trade it for anything.

Author:	Acekirby [ Sun Jan 22, 2006 2:51 am ]
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Hell is not neccesarily burning, fire, torture, and eternal pain. That's a common misconception. Hell is the eternal seperation from God. Personally, I think that knowing that God existed, that you've turned away from his invitation to love, and now you're eternally seperated from Him is the ultimate punishment. Knives in the stomach, I think, are nothing compared to the phsychological devistation that you would feel.

Author:	Jello B. [ Sun Jan 22, 2006 5:44 am ]
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And that's what seems very odd about Christianity. God goes around without providing any logical proof that He exists, yet sends you to hell because you didn't believe? He created us, he should know that humans look for logic in the world. Yeah, yeah, I know that Didymus or sombody like that is going to prove me wrong, but I'm just stating my opinions.

Author:	IantheGecko [ Sun Jan 22, 2006 5:47 am ]
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Jello, God reveals himself to people by putting certain people & events in their lives. As Christians, we walk by faith & not by sight.

Author:	DeathlyPallor [ Tue Jan 17, 2006 4:27 am ]
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Cultural hegemony at work... Frankly, I don't care. I've read the bible... It's not my path. So spare yourself some grief and don't waste your time... because many have failed. Don't pull any holier than thou crap on me. I don't preach to you. Just another interpretation of the light through a different color. No light cancels another out (Don't you think that statement was arrogant??),. They all show a section of the same initial point... Jeez... why don't you just burn me at the stake already! dunks self in gasoline

Author:	Alexander [ Wed Jan 18, 2006 3:43 am ]
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DeathlyPallor wrote: Just another interpretation of the light through a different color. No light cancels another out (Don't you think that statement was arrogant??),. They all show a section of the same initial point... Begging your pardon, but what is this "same initial point"? Are you saying that all religions point to the same idea, or that a religion should meet with your morals and ideas? I would like a little more information from your opinion on this point. Thank you.

Author:	ed 'lim' smilde [ Thu Jan 19, 2006 9:30 pm ]
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DeathlyPallor wrote: Cultural hegemony at work... Frankly, I don't care. I've read the bible... It's not my path. So spare yourself some grief and don't waste your time... because many have failed. Don't pull any holier than thou crap on me. I don't preach to you. Just another interpretation of the light through a different color. No light cancels another out (Don't you think that statement was arrogant??),. They all show a section of the same initial point... Jeez... why don't you just burn me at the stake already! dunks self in gasoline What I'm saying is, you can't believe Christianity AND some other religions to be true. If you click the link, you can see why.

Author:	Musachan [ Thu Jan 19, 2006 11:44 pm ]
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Hell, huh? Well, I'll let you know what it's like when I get there, fellas. But all kidding aside, no one can be sure what death brings. Christians believe our souls either go to Heaven, Hell or Purgatory, which will eventually get one to Heaven anyway. I don't know what other religions believe (I was born and raised a Roman Catholic, but I, personally, am agnostic). Hell could be a way to scare the faithful into repetance, or it could be a real, physical place. It could be a total seperation from God (as I recall, that is how it is OFFICIALLY defined in the Catholic church) or it could be other people. We don't know. That's the mystery. If there is a Hell, what is it like? If there is no Hell, then what is there? Such conversations never cease to interest me. I'm not exceptionally well-educated so I prefer to keep my nose out of the whole mess, but I certainly pay attention. If nothing else, it's something to think about.

Author:	ed 'lim' smilde [ Thu Jan 19, 2006 11:53 pm ]
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Musachan wrote: But all kidding aside, no one can be sure what death brings. Christians believe our souls either go to Heaven, Hell or Purgatory, which will eventually get one to Heaven anyway. Well, I think most Christians don't believe in purgatory (my denomination definitely doesn't). It doens't teach it in the Bible.

Author:	Alexander [ Fri Jan 20, 2006 12:19 am ]
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Musachan wrote: Hell, huh? Well, I'll let you know what it's like when I get there, fellas. But all kidding aside, no one can be sure what death brings. Christians believe our souls either go to Heaven, Hell or Purgatory, which will eventually get one to Heaven anyway. I don't know what other religions believe (I was born and raised a Roman Catholic, but I, personally, am agnostic). Hell could be a way to scare the faithful into repetance, or it could be a real, physical place. It could be a total seperation from God (as I recall, that is how it is OFFICIALLY defined in the Catholic church) or it could be other people. We don't know. That's the mystery. If there is a Hell, what is it like? If there is no Hell, then what is there? Such conversations never cease to interest me. I'm not exceptionally well-educated so I prefer to keep my nose out of the whole mess, but I certainly pay attention. If nothing else, it's something to think about. Tis a very interesting thing to consider. That's what faith is all about But I will state this. One of the prime reasions I'm very intwined in my religion (Christian) is because it gives me hope after death. And because I'm very frightend of it. This is why I cannont accept atheism or any other religion that states: "After you die, there is nothing more".

Author:	Musachan [ Fri Jan 20, 2006 4:55 pm ]
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ed 'lim' smilde wrote: Musachan wrote: But all kidding aside, no one can be sure what death brings. Christians believe our souls either go to Heaven, Hell or Purgatory, which will eventually get one to Heaven anyway. Well, I think most Christians don't believe in purgatory (my denomination definitely doesn't). It doens't teach it in the Bible. Ah, perhaps it's just Catholics then. I hate having grown up in a strictly Catholic neighborhood ... there's so much I don't know about. Gah!

Author:	Upsilon [ Sat Jan 21, 2006 12:19 pm ]
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Choc-o-Lardiac Arrest wrote: you guys...ive discovered the way for all to follow....... it requires nothing but this one thing.....this one thing that doesnt require you to switch to a different religion or anything...just this one thing.. no Hail Mary's, no Penance rope... heaven is nondenominational, which means that you can be of any religion..... there is only one thing that you have to do....Just Accept Jesus As Savior. I... I don't get it. You can be of any religion, as long as you recognise Jesus as Saviour. In other words, any religion as long as it's Christianity? Also, I can't "just" accept Jesus as Saviour. I can't just decide to believe in something. I'm not the sort of person who wakes up in the morning and goes, "What religion shall I be today? I'm feeling in a Sikh mood..." It's not nearly as simple as you make it sound.

Author:	Choc-o-Lardiac Arrest [ Sat Jan 21, 2006 12:25 pm ]
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well, may be simple to some, may be harder to others. but whatever, im just another one of the 2million other people on the internet.

Author:	Jello B. [ Sun Jan 22, 2006 6:21 am ]
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In other words, "blindly". He shouldn't send me to hell just because I think I know he's not real. Like I said, though, I'm open to complete pwnage by Didymus/really anybody else, as long as it's a complete pwnage.

Author:	topofsm [ Sat Feb 18, 2006 5:29 am ]
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Hell is not neccesarily torture, It is where your Earthly problems(synonym-harsher) continue eternally. Heaven is where you are with god, and they no longer exist. Heaven is perfect, while Hell isn't quite the opposite. I got this information from my youth group Wednesday.

Author:	Prof. Tor Coolguy [ Sat Feb 18, 2006 3:22 pm ]
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Here's a question: What the heck happened to the people that died before the birth of Christ and the founding of Christianity? Are they condemned to hell just because they were born too early?

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