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I heard the smartest person I know once say that hell is a place where you're furthest from god.

Perhaps the tales of hellfire and pitchforks and icy lakes were just for effect.
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its just simple you guys, it doesnt require switching religions, it doesnt mean that you should go to church and pray, you just gotta accept jesus as the guy who gave his life for you. thats it, im still in the Cult of Yog-Sothoth, and nothing is gonna change tha, but deep down inside of me, i recognize jesus as my Savior.

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This is coming from the guy who doesn't believe that Jesus is God.

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yeah, so?

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seconded. i'd rather die.

That's what Jesus did. But since you're Jewish, you're still waiting for the Messiah.

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Choco, as St. Paul points out in 1 Corinthians, you cannot simultaneoulsy serve false gods and the true one ("What fellowship does light have with darkness?"). How can you claim to know Christ, yet still serve this Yog-Sothoth? Whether you recognize it or not, you are not exactly acting as one who belongs to Christ in doing so. Or do you honestly believe that he doesn't care?

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Without the darkness, how would you know what is light. Darkness must be present in all to show that there is light. You must embrace that evil which lies within to allow the light to be prevalent as well, because you would not know light without anything to contrast, and you would not have dark without anything to contrast. It's balance.

COLA - Uhm... you can't technically still worship Yog-Sothoth and accept Christ... What are you, a cultist with a backup plan or something?



Jesus is the supposed son of god. Him being a personification of god was metaphor. But that can be left to interpretation....

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correct. but "waiting for the Messiah" isn't the whole point of my life. we're here on earth to help people and make the world the kind of place that would deserve the Messiah. this world is holier than heaven.

I see this as a more noble cause than trying to convert people. Kudos, cobalt.

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thanks, DeathlyPallor. that is my outlook because i'm Jewish, and Judaism does not proselytize; on the contrary, we're supposed to actively discourage people who express interest in converting. because it's fundamental to Judaism that "the righteous of all nations have a portion in the World to Come." meaning that it's not necessary, expected, or even hoped, that everyone will convert to Judaism in order to be "saved." for non-Jews, just being a good person is enough.

it seems perfectly logical to me, which is one of the reasons that i have for believing in Judaism.

yes, i have a plan for everything, being just a missunderstood teenager im gonna freelance with religions till i hit rock bottom.

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That is a completely logical outlook. Although I am not Jewish, I share a lot of the same ideas, if that wasn't already evident.

You shouldn't have to be condemned because you don't follow the same beliefs as someone.

I mean... I happened to view spirituality this way. As a stained glass lamp. The candle's light is sent through each one of the different colors, each color being a different religion, but all are illuminated by the same light.

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But what happens when one cancels out another?

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Cultural hegemony at work... Frankly, I don't care. I've read the bible... It's not my path. So spare yourself some grief and don't waste your time... because many have failed. Don't pull any holier than thou crap on me. I don't preach to you.

Just another interpretation of the light through a different color. No light cancels another out (Don't you think that statement was arrogant??),. They all show a section of the same initial point...

Jeez... why don't you just burn me at the stake already! *dunks self in gasoline*

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Begging your pardon, but what is this "same initial point"? Are you saying that all religions point to the same idea, or that a religion should meet with your morals and ideas?

I would like a little more information from your opinion on this point. Thank you.

What I'm saying is, you can't believe Christianity AND some other religions to be true. If you click the link, you can see why.

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Hell, huh? Well, I'll let you know what it's like when I get there, fellas.

But all kidding aside, no one can be sure what death brings. Christians believe our souls either go to Heaven, Hell or Purgatory, which will eventually get one to Heaven anyway. I don't know what other religions believe (I was born and raised a Roman Catholic, but I, personally, am agnostic). Hell could be a way to scare the faithful into repetance, or it could be a real, physical place. It could be a total seperation from God (as I recall, that is how it is OFFICIALLY defined in the Catholic church) or it could be other people.

We don't know. That's the mystery. If there is a Hell, what is it like? If there is no Hell, then what is there? Such conversations never cease to interest me. I'm not exceptionally well-educated so I prefer to keep my nose out of the whole mess, but I certainly pay attention. If nothing else, it's something to think about.

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The Mu is NOT dead!

Well, I think most Christians don't believe in purgatory (my denomination definitely doesn't). It doens't teach it in the Bible.

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Tis a very interesting thing to consider. That's what faith is all about

But I will state this. One of the prime reasions I'm very intwined in my religion (Christian) is because it gives me hope after death. And because I'm very frightend of it. This is why I cannont accept atheism or any other religion that states: "After you die, there is nothing more".

I don't believe in Purgatory, at least not in the Dante sense. I think of Purgatory as those places we face in this life that are very painful, and yet push us ever closer to God. I've been through such a place in my life. Last year, in fact. Let's just say I suffered immensely, but through it, God both showed his unconditional love for me, and through it, healed me of a particular sin that had a firm grip on my life. As painful as it was, I wouldn't trade it for anything.

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Ah, perhaps it's just Catholics then. I hate having grown up in a strictly Catholic neighborhood ... there's so much I don't know about. Gah!

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The Mu is NOT dead!

I... I don't get it. You can be of any religion, as long as you recognise Jesus as Saviour. In other words, any religion as long as it's Christianity?

Also, I can't "just" accept Jesus as Saviour. I can't just decide to believe in something. I'm not the sort of person who wakes up in the morning and goes, "What religion shall I be today? I'm feeling in a Sikh mood..." It's not nearly as simple as you make it sound.

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"You get the Most Annoying Transsexual I've Ever Spoken To award." -The Zephyr Song

well, may be simple to some, may be harder to others. but whatever, im just another one of the 2million other people on the internet.

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Hell is not neccesarily burning, fire, torture, and eternal pain. That's a common misconception. Hell is the eternal seperation from God.

Personally, I think that knowing that God existed, that you've turned away from his invitation to love, and now you're eternally seperated from Him is the ultimate punishment. Knives in the stomach, I think, are nothing compared to the phsychological devistation that you would feel.

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And that's what seems very odd about Christianity. God goes around without providing any logical proof that He exists, yet sends you to hell because you didn't believe? He created us, he should know that humans look for logic in the world.

Yeah, yeah, I know that Didymus or sombody like that is going to prove me wrong, but I'm just stating my opinions.

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Jello, God reveals himself to people by putting certain people & events in their lives. As Christians, we walk by faith & not by sight.

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In other words, "blindly". He shouldn't send me to hell just because I think I know he's not real. Like I said, though, I'm open to complete pwnage by Didymus/really anybody else, as long as it's a complete pwnage.

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Hell is not neccesarily torture, It is where your Earthly problems(synonym-harsher) continue eternally. Heaven is where you are with god, and they no longer exist. Heaven is perfect, while Hell isn't quite the opposite. I got this information from my youth group Wednesday.

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No, I lied. I'm never going to have a good sig. So just forget about it.

Here's a question:

What the heck happened to the people that died before the birth of Christ and the founding of Christianity? Are they condemned to hell just because they were born too early?

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RIP Nathan "Buz" Buzdor