It's interesting how none of the anti-gay stuff in the New Testament comes from Jesus himself.

That's what I base my opinions off of.

But, if it's in the bible sometimes it's better tobe safe then sorry.

Do you kids know what an "abomination" is, by the way?

... to be safe by not being born gay? Or to be safe by spending your entire life lonely because you're not allowed to be gay, even though you are.

... to be safe by not being born gay? Or to be safe by spending your entire life lonely because you're not allowed to be gay, even though you are.

Rosalie, you're going to have to stop calling people "kids." It's disrespectful (and no I don't care whether or not they've been respectful to you) and disingenuous and does nothing to further your arguments or any discussion. I don't want to hear your opinions or justifications on this matter, just stop doing it, forever. You were given a second chance; you will not get a third.

I can prove that it is guided by God, because anybody who believes in the Book of Genesis knows that god created Heaven and Earth before he created humans. Yet somehow we have an account of how he created everything... I wonder how they knew that! God guided people when they wrote scripture. Its not some random person's opinions on life. These people arent philosophers that just graduated college and decided to write a book about God. These are people that have been guided by God to create a book about how to live. It's like an instruction manual to life.

Yes, I'm being snide, and that's because you're trying to prove a point by making a point which has no bearing on the first point, i.e. making a point with absolutely nothing backing it (in terms of what you've done to prove it, and setting the matter of pure faith aside.

ok first off, doesnt make any sense to me...so i wont respond to that part...

secondly,i said that if u believe in genesis then it would be proof.

And EVEN under the assumption that that was the case (and we can't assume it was, as I pointed out), God having guided someone in writing Genesis does not mean God guided anyone in writing anything else.

yea, i'm not a retard. what i'm saying is that it would make perfect sense that he guided people in other areas. if the Bible says that something is wrong, then its wrong.

I dont know why you're being so mean about this... i'm just presenting my points... cool off...

Does any of it come from "The Voice of God" in the Old Testament even?

The original phrase in Leviticus that some form(it is unclear, as the passage appears unfinished) of homosexual intercourse is "ritually unclean", i.e. unfit for doing while engaging in some form of ritual.
It's most likely that it says that homosexual intercourse on a woman's bed is ritually unclean.

i've got plenty of my own sins to worry about without having to concern myself with anyone else's, you know?

There is absolutely no valid reason to call homosexuality wrong. It's just two people who love each other and who happen to be of the same sex

Okay, I'm not being mean about it. You're being mean, if anyone is, in calling my points complete crap. I'm annoyed, yes, but mean? No. And I think I'm allowed to be annoyed in response to arrogance (for why it's arrogant, look back to the first post of mine in the current argument), or someone attempting to debate with nothing. Or at least, nothing that belongs in a debate.

Even for a person of faith, A doesn't prove B. You believe B for the same reasons you believe A, and that's a matter of your faith. I'm not saying you can't believe it, though! However, unless you can explain it in at least somewhat universal terms, it has no place in a debate, so don't bring it into this one. That's what I'm annoyed about. To make it relevant, you can believe that homosexuality is wrong because the Bible said so. You have your reasons for believing the Bible's words, and while I may not agree with them, you still have your reasons. The thing is, while you have those reasons, they can't be used in a debate unless they have a basis in logic, which is universal, as opposed to blind faith, which is not. Blind faith is doing it because the book says it (because in your opinion, the book is the word of God); logic is not (not calling you illogical-I'm saying it's within reason, your reason, but not logical reason. To logic's side, if you will, as opposed to being on the other side of the line). And if it's not universal, then it can't be used in a debate.

So I'm not mad at you, or your beliefs, just at the fact that you're trying to debate by using beliefs. I'm sorry, but "because the book said so" is not a valid argument. It may seem like it to you, but it's not by the conventions of argument, so it can't be used. You choose to believe without reason (accounts of witnessing miracles aside), but arguments require reasoning, so you can't use your beliefs in an argument, UNLESS you can give me the reasons for which you believe what you do, and if you can give me reasons, I would like to hear them (would be quite interesting...).

And I do know that I repeated myself many times up there-I'm just trying to make sure I get my point across without coming off as insulting.

All sins are equal.

I have a very important question... Why do people care so strongly about homosexuality?
If you're gay, then I can see why, but, straight people, I ask you, "why does it matter?!?". Does it hurt you, personally, if gays and lesbians are married? My guess is no. (I suppose it would if all gay weddings ended with "let's go kill us some straight people!", but, somehow, I doubt that's the case).

I am apathetic with regards to homosexuality.
I don't care if it's right or wrong.. I've got my own life to deal with. When I can point a finger without 3 more pointing back at me, THEN, I'll start worrying about whether it's right or wrong, but, unless I cut some fingers off my hands, I'm not gonna be able to do that.

I'm going to assume it IS a sin for a minute (I don't know if it is, but bear with me). If it is a sin, then it will be judged accordingly. All sins are equal. Therefore, a straight person who commits a sin like (all people commit sins) is no better than a person who happens to love someone of the same sex. Somehow, some forget that.
That's assuming, of course that it is a sin to be gay. Like I said, I don't know if it is, and don't really care, as it doesn't affect me. I have gay friends, and they don't seem to have a problem with my "apathy"..

Apathy is a kind of tolerance, sometimes.