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Homosexuality is not unnatural as apes and even animals like dogs practice it. Nobody cares what God intended people to act like; he gave them free will if that's what you believe, and if it's not hurting anyone it's a valid excercise of that free will.

There is no way you can prove it's "disgusting" past your own prejudice, and "Wrong" based on anything other than your interpretation of bible quotes, which is saying you believe because you believe, which is circular logic.

So your "Opinion" is wrong. Suck it and deal with people that are different to you.

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You're quite possibly the most intolerant, hateful person I've seen on this board. Wow.

If you demand he respect your beliefs, how about you start respecting his?

Accually, I really don't like this sort of subject, so I'm only posting here once and then NEVER again.

So here is my statement: Even if I wasn't Christian, I always, in my own eyes, found the whole idea...sickening. Marriage between a boy and girl is the only way I can see it. Any other way seems...out of place for me. So the final verdict is, I'm 110% unconfortable with the idea, Christain or not.

Thank you and Good day.

I am gay, that isn't an opinion. I respect beliefs, I do not respect prejudice in this modern educated world. I have put up with this for two long and I've come to the conclusion that there is nothing to be gained by being P.C. about beliefs that are completely un-P.C. to begin with. I do not tolerate such pompous displays of hatred and arrogance.

You do amuse me and frustrate me at the same time. I am the most intolerant and hateful person? For what exaclty? You think it's great you can get a leg up on someone standing up for a worthy cause by using their arguments against them; but smart people see through that, and they see how stupid you are.

I am tolerant of those who tolerate. I cannot tolerate the woefully intolerant or else I am indirectly endorsing the kind of behaviour I set out to change in the first place.

I also find it amusing that directly after you posted that, this got posted:



I would almost put up with that but the fact that you said you're posting once and never again came off as extremely arrogant, like you don't want to touch those icky gays or actually back up your opinion.

In a debate, you do not make unfounded statements. You stay and back things up. These kind of posts shouldn't be made in a serious topic.

Nonetheless, I should hope you're capable of differentiating what is "out of place" for you and what is fact, and not force your beliefs on others by voting against gay marriage.

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She has every right to be angry and intolerant of the scrutiny against homosexuality and homosexuals.

Justifying prejudice via religion is utter foolishness. Plus, a follower of a religion that condemns such actions does not have the right to tell a follower of another faith what is right and wrong.

So, what I am saying is, who the crap cares what the bible says? Not everyone is christian.

And if it is prejudice for the sake of prejudice, then you are pathetic. I mean you Alexander.

I don't mind xtians, but I certainly mind them when they are trying to tell someone they are living in sin and make their religion law. And I don't care how many people are xtians in this country, most of the popularity of christiany, through history, was bought in blood.

And the right to practice christianity was also bought in blood and suffering through prejudices as well... So the judgement you pass towards homosexuality is hypocrisy. You are repeating history, and by passing judgment and not following what your religion preaches, you are no better than the Romans.

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in my opinion if it has no effect on you you shouldnt care. and really what happens in the bedroom isnt really anyones bussniuss but the people involved.

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I'll have one sooner or later

Thank you! That is one of the main roots of my arguement...

End of discussion.

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No, she's right. Opinions are wrong if they are blindly taken. At that point, they're not even opinions. AS I'VE SAID: You don't have a right to a point of view just because you call it an opinion. Once you've justified it, then you have a right to it, because it's only an opinion once it's been formulated, and the formulation requires the use of facts or other fact-based opinions. It's not an opinion just because it's in the reveréd book.

You, however, choose to blindly follow it, ignoring the fact that the book never justified it. You then proclaim that you have a right to your opinion, which in fact you don't, because as I said, you haven't justified it. You somehow feel that because it's in the book, it's right. You follow it blindly; you are bound to it regardless of what actual reasoning is presented to you or even by you, to yourself. "It's true because the book said so" isn't really a good credo, is it? (yes, I realize this is also what DP is saying; I'm just adding the note of the basis of fact in opinion and its absence here)

A note to the pious: I am not saying it is unwise to follow the Bible (or any other such holy text). I am saying that it is unwise to follow the Bible's words if the Bible's words can't be justified, case in point its view on homosexuality.

Edit: Yes, I realize it can be said that I'm questioning God's sense, and asking Him for justification. I wouldn't, though-I question the sense behind this text that's believed to be the word of God-if I knew it were the word of God, I'd rethink things (as far as most justification goes; I'd still disagree with anti-homosexual attitudes). I've not the inability to follow God's word-I just need to know it's God's word, and I don't, and I don't believe there's a way to know it, which is why I'm an agnostic.

Sui - Thank you for your poignancy. That has to be one of the best things said on this thread.

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Bible thumpers LOVE equal rights - as long as it's not for like, gay people. They're just icky.

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Another generalization from such an open-minded person..


I love equal rights, and I support equal rights for all people. I have no problem with that. Of course, since I don't fit your stereotype you're going to say I'm a liar..


Oh yeah, I'm a conservative, too... so there goes THAT stereotype as well.

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If you can't fix it with a hammer, you have an electrical problem.

Interesting how it's *you* not *me*, whose trying to shove you into that stereotype.

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well, you DID say Bible Thumper, and you have essentially called me the same in the Christmas thread..

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If you can't fix it with a hammer, you have an electrical problem.

But you're still the one who ran into it...

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I feel that the 'uncomfortableness' people feel is the main cause of ghastly things like writing in discrimination to state constitutions (we stand for not giving equal rights!). People are not 'brainwashed' by reading two lines in Leviticus - it's the general discomfort with anything that is different which so many people have, just like racism.

The only negative effect of allowing same-sex unions would be to upset people who are in favour of discrimination.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it sounds like you're saying homophobia is more a kind of Xenophobia than a religiously based bias.. (not saying that makes it "right")

I've often thought that, as the two biggest homophobes I've ever met are an athiest and an agnostic, but, whenever I bring this up, people always point to people like Fred Phelps and say "no, only christians are against equal rights!!"

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If you can't fix it with a hammer, you have an electrical problem.

I hate it when my friends refer to everything they don't like (even if it IS stupid) as "gay". So now, whenever they say something is "gay", I tell them, "Stop complimenting <whatever it is they're talking about>!" It doesn't work, but ya gotta have your fun when you can get it.

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So, so you think you can tell Heaven from Hell, blue skies from pain. Can you tell a green field from a cold steel rail? A smile from a veil? Do you think you can tell?

In a religious perspective, i believe it is completely wrong. there are bible verses and stuff that say its wrong. plus its gross. God doesnt want guys on guys or girls on girls....

my polictical veiws (the show) are that gay marriage should be legal. just because its spiritually wrong, doesnt mean that gays shouldnt have the same rights as straights. even though they'll be punished by God l8er, our government has no right to stop them.

and as far as discriminating them myself, i just veiw it as a sin they commit themselves. everybody sins. just because the way they sin is gross, doesnt mean i cant treat them equally.

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Well, my point of view is that it's against Christianity to be gay.

Since i'm a Republican, however, I want gay marriages to be legal. So what if the prez says "O rly?". God says, "Ya rly." and pwnz him in several categories.(Probably every)

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That's pretty decent of you that you make that distinction, which many people here don't. All the same I think you are being a little overbearing with your beliefs in the way you state them(the punishment bit comes to mind); many Christians disagree with you on your first paragraph, and I don't think "it's gross" is much of a point. "Spritually wrong" is being a bit too broad as there as spritiuality in general doesn't come into it, rather specific dogma. I am spiritual and believe it is against the nature of everything spiritual to consider such strong love the result of something "wrong".

But, a step forward, and you deserve a biscuit for that

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Egg-zackly: Let God do the judging.

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I actually thought he was being refreshingly realistic about it for an uber-religeous type. He is against it, but he atleast acknowledges gays rights to do as they please.

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I think the use of the word "gross" is pretty funny.
That's like being afraid of cooties.
Homosexuality is "gross..." Ha!
Child stuff.
You might as well be spitting up on your keyboards...

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oh no, not what i meant by gross... by gross i mean I would never do it, even if it werent against my religion. i dont think gay people are gross, and i still talk to them and i dont discriminate against them.

and by the fact that tyhey'll be punished, i'm not necessarily saying they'll be sent to heck or anything, I mean, they can still prolly get into heaven, but it is a sin.

And by "spiritually wrong" i meant something more along the lines of "against the teachings of God." When u do things against the teachings of God, it rarely benefits you.

And thanks for the biscut Christmas rose!
Thats kinda scarey since i just finished having a biscuit bofore reading your post...

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Well, it wasn't exactly god who said that. I can only recall the bible mentioning gays once and that was some dude who wasn't god. He was like...some guy.

And good for you for being so open minded about (and being really religeous).

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i seached the bible and found this in Romans.

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There's also Leviticus 18:22
And some other verses from the Old Testament about sodomy.

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Which translation is that? I'm fairly certain there's no word in the original hebrew that translates as directly as that to "homosexuality." The NIV says "Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable" and the KJV says "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination." I'm not saying the Bible doesn't say, in some way or another, that homosexuality is a sin (I have no opinion on the matter), but I am curious to know where you got that wonky translation.

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It's the New Living Translation.

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Thanks for clearing that up.

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