What Christian denomination are you?

seamusz · **Posted:** Wed Dec 21, 2005 7:18 pm

IantheGecko wrote:

Christians believe in the sole authority of the Bible as the Word of God.

Again, I ask how you can possible pretend to know the extent of millions of people's personal relationship to Jesus Christ is?

IantheGecko · **Posted:** Wed Dec 21, 2005 7:20 pm

Well, that's Christianity in a nutshell.

seamusz · **Posted:** Wed Dec 21, 2005 7:31 pm

You are avoiding the question.

How dare you assume to know anything about whether or not I have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. You can say what you like about what you think is true and what is not, But do not tell me that you know anything about who I worship.

IantheGecko · **Posted:** Wed Dec 21, 2005 7:32 pm

I was just explaining to lahimatoa my definition of "Christian".

seamusz · **Posted:** Wed Dec 21, 2005 7:39 pm

IantheGecko wrote:

I was just explaining to lahimatoa my definition of "Christian".

lahimaoa was asking what definition of Christianity would exclude Mormons as Christians, and you wrote that...

IantheGecko wrote:

Christians believe in the sole authority of the Bible as the Word of God, as well as the Father, Son & Holy Spirit as God, "Three in one".

thereby excluding Mormons and JW from Christianity. But wouldn't you think that it is wrong to exclude anyone from the family of Christianity at all because no one can possibly know anothers relationship with their Savior.

Beyond the Grave · **Posted:** Wed Dec 21, 2005 7:39 pm

Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Let's not start a Holy War here. Toastpaint.

I was baptized Catholic and Protestant. I don't go to church. I never pray on Sundays because according to the Bible that's God's day off. I think that it is kind of rude to ask something from someone on there day off. Other that that I am pretty much go by the book.

seamusz · **Posted:** Wed Dec 21, 2005 7:49 pm

Beyond the Grave wrote:

Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Let's not start a Holy War here. Toastpaint.

How is this off topic? If the thread is about those who are of Christian Denomination, isn't it valid to establish who is allowed to be in this elite cadre of believers?

Beyond the Grave · **Posted:** Wed Dec 21, 2005 7:56 pm

seamusz wrote:

isn't it valid to establish who is allowed to be in this elite cadre of believers?

Ok, I have a little bit of a problem with that statement. First, everybody is "allowed" to be a Christian. Second, there is no "elite cadre of believers." No religion is superior to another. And third, a Christian is anyone who has taken Jesus Christ to be their Lord and Savior.

lahimatoa · **Posted:** Wed Dec 21, 2005 8:00 pm

Quote:

Christians believe in the sole authority of the Bible as the Word of God, as well as the Father, Son & Holy Spirit as God, "Three in one".

I feel that's an extremely narrow definition of Christian, as decided by some committee.

But more power to you.

Acekirby · **Posted:** Wed Dec 21, 2005 8:01 pm

The Experimental Film wrote:

Acekirby wrote:

I guess I'm a Catholic. I go to Catholic school...

Although I really don't have a formal religion. I almost never go to Church.

Not because I don't believe in God and Jesus Christ, it's just something I don't do.

Formal denomination is what you meant, I think. If you believe in God and accept Jesus and everything, you're probably a Christian.

I think.

Ah, you're right. I meant denomination, not religion. Saying "religion" screws my statement up.

I'm a Christian.

seamusz · **Posted:** Wed Dec 21, 2005 8:03 pm

Beyond the Grave wrote:

seamusz wrote:

isn't it valid to establish who is allowed to be in this elite cadre of believers?

Ok, I have a little bit of a problem with that statement. First, everybody is "allowed" to be a Christian. Second, there is no "elite cadre of believers." No religion is superior to another. And third, a Christian is anyone who has taken Jesus Christ to be their Lord and Savior.

Which is what I was saying (the sarcasm was a little subtle), but the statements made by others were inferring that only people who belonged to some denominations were allowed to be Christian.

IantheGecko wrote:

Christians believe in the sole authority of the Bible as the Word of God, as well as the Father, Son & Holy Spirit as God, "Three in one".

Kevin DuBrow wrote:

I am Pentecostal. And Teff, just so you know, Mormons and Jehovah's witnesses aren't really considered Christian, but I won't get into that.

So I thought it relevant to set straight that they were not correct to limit Christianity to only some people who claim Jesus as their Lord and Savior.

Groovy Dudette · **Joined:** Tue Apr 19, 2005 8:34 am **Posts:** 318

In case people missed this but the official name for the mormon church is "The Church of Jesus Christ of latter day Saints" We believe in Christ and we believe the Bible to be the work of God.

how is that not Christian?

IantheGecko · **Posted:** Thu Dec 22, 2005 12:05 am

Latter-Day Saints also believe the Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants, and The Pearl of Great Price to be Scripture.

seamusz · **Posted:** Thu Dec 22, 2005 12:07 am

IantheGecko wrote:

Latter-Day Saints also believe the Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants, and The Pearl of Great Price to be Scripture.

All of which testify that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and the Savior of the world... does that contradict your beliefs?

IantheGecko · **Posted:** Thu Dec 22, 2005 12:12 am

No, what contradicts my beliefs is that Latter Day Saints don't believe in Sola scriptura--The Bible is the only inspired and authoritative Word of God and is accessible to all.

seamusz · **Posted:** Thu Dec 22, 2005 12:19 am

IantheGecko wrote:

No, what contradicts my beliefs is that Latter Day Saints don't believe in Sola scriptura--The Bible is the only inspired and authoritative Word of God and is accessible to all.

And how does that make them not Christians?

IantheGecko · **Posted:** Thu Dec 22, 2005 12:27 am

That makes them not Christians because they believe that those other books are part of God's Word.

seamusz · **Posted:** Thu Dec 22, 2005 12:32 am

IantheGecko wrote:

That makes them not Christians because they believe that those other books are part of God's Word.

How does this make us not Christians? Where in the Bible does it say that there couldn't be more scripture? And Sola Scriptura isn't part of the bible, so by definition, it voids itself out.

Mr.KISS · **Posted:** Thu Dec 22, 2005 12:34 am

Ok, has anyone looked at the meaning of the word?

Quote:

Chris·tian ( P ) Pronunciation Key (krschn)
adj.
1. Professing belief in Jesus as Christ or following the religion based on the life and teachings of Jesus.
2. Relating to or derived from Jesus or Jesus's teachings.

There, anything that falls into those categories can be considered Christian.

IantheGecko · **Posted:** Thu Dec 22, 2005 12:36 am

Revelation 22:18 (The Message) wrote:

I give fair warning to all who hear the words of the prophecy of this book: If you add to the words of this prophecy, God will add to your life the disasters written in this book.

Beyond the Grave · **Posted:** Thu Dec 22, 2005 12:39 am

IantheGecko wrote:

That makes them not Christians because they believe that those other books are part of God's Word.

Here are the central beliefs of all Christians:
* The Trinity, where God is a single eternal being who exists as three distinct, eternal, and indivisible persons: Father, Son (Divine Logos, incarnated as Jesus Christ), and Holy Spirit (or Holy Ghost).
* Jesus Christ is both fully God (divine) and fully human: two natures in one person. He is without sin.
* That salvation from "sin and death" is available through the person and work of Jesus Christ, especially his sacrificial execution and resurrection, by which humanity, and the entire world, are "redeemed" and reconciled with God. Protestants, Catholics, and Orthodox Christians have arrived at several explanations as to exactly how this salvation, or atonement, occurs. (See soteriology.)
* Jesus's virgin birth, crucifixion, resurrection, ascension, and Second Coming.
* The "General Resurrection," in which all people who have ever lived will rise from the dead at the end of time, to be judged by the returned Christ.

Now it mentions nothing of having to believe that the Bible is the only source of the Word of God.

seamusz · **Posted:** Thu Dec 22, 2005 12:43 am

IantheGecko wrote:

Revelation 22:18 (The Message) wrote:

I give fair warning to all who hear the words of the prophecy of this book: If you add to the words of this prophecy, God will add to your life the disasters written in this book.

This is obviously taking about the "Book of Revelation" You may want to study the Bible a bit more. You would find that it wasn't put together chronologically. This same statment is written in other places in the Bible. Thus there are books contained therin that were written after this was written. Did you really think that John had the whole Bible there and finished it up with his revelations and sent it to his publisher? If you take this to mean what you inferred you must not believe that the entire bible was inspired by God.

(BTW, most of the Book of Mormon was written before this scriture, but you probably didn't know that either because you probably haven't ever actually read the Book of Mormon, have you. You would think that if someone told a follower of Christ that there had been another testament of Him found and translated by the power of God, they would be exited, and would seek it out and read it)

Mr.KISS · **Posted:** Thu Dec 22, 2005 12:43 am

Beyond the Grave wrote:

Now it mentions nothing of having to believe that the Bible is the only source of the Word of God.

Well, actually it does. Jesus said so himself.

*goes to find the right passage*

seamusz · **Posted:** Thu Dec 22, 2005 12:46 am

Beyond the Grave wrote:

IantheGecko wrote:

That makes them not Christians because they believe that those other books are part of God's Word.

Here are the central beliefs of all Christians:
* The Trinity, where God is a single eternal being who exists as three distinct, eternal, and indivisible persons: Father, Son (Divine Logos, incarnated as Jesus Christ), and Holy Spirit (or Holy Ghost).
* Jesus Christ is both fully God (divine) and fully human: two natures in one person. He is without sin.
* That salvation from "sin and death" is available through the person and work of Jesus Christ, especially his sacrificial execution and resurrection, by which humanity, and the entire world, are "redeemed" and reconciled with God. Protestants, Catholics, and Orthodox Christians have arrived at several explanations as to exactly how this salvation, or atonement, occurs. (See soteriology.)
* Jesus's virgin birth, crucifixion, resurrection, ascension, and Second Coming.
* The "General Resurrection," in which all people who have ever lived will rise from the dead at the end of time, to be judged by the returned Christ.

Now it mentions nothing of having to believe that the Bible is the only source of the Word of God.

But where are you getting this that you can post and be like "if you don't agree with every sentance hear you don't really believe in Christ"? Do you have any idea what my relationship with Jesus is?

IantheGecko · **Posted:** Thu Dec 22, 2005 12:48 am

I don't, so what is it?

Beyond the Grave · **Posted:** Thu Dec 22, 2005 12:54 am

seamusz wrote:

Beyond the Grave wrote:

IantheGecko wrote:

That makes them not Christians because they believe that those other books are part of God's Word.

Here are the central beliefs of all Christians:
* The Trinity, where God is a single eternal being who exists as three distinct, eternal, and indivisible persons: Father, Son (Divine Logos, incarnated as Jesus Christ), and Holy Spirit (or Holy Ghost).
* Jesus Christ is both fully God (divine) and fully human: two natures in one person. He is without sin.
* That salvation from "sin and death" is available through the person and work of Jesus Christ, especially his sacrificial execution and resurrection, by which humanity, and the entire world, are "redeemed" and reconciled with God. Protestants, Catholics, and Orthodox Christians have arrived at several explanations as to exactly how this salvation, or atonement, occurs. (See soteriology.)
* Jesus's virgin birth, crucifixion, resurrection, ascension, and Second Coming.
* The "General Resurrection," in which all people who have ever lived will rise from the dead at the end of time, to be judged by the returned Christ.

Now it mentions nothing of having to believe that the Bible is the only source of the Word of God.

But where are you getting this that you can post and be like "if you don't agree with every sentance hear you don't really believe in Christ"? Do you have any idea what my relationship with Jesus is?

It's from Wikipedia, so it is from an objectionist view. This is only a general overview of the main Christian beliefs. I am not saying that you have to follow this. I only used this to respond to what Ian said.

seamusz · **Posted:** Thu Dec 22, 2005 12:56 am

IantheGecko wrote:

I don't, so what is it?

No response to my earlier post?

I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. I believe that He created all things both in Heaven and in Earth. I believe that He loves us all. I have felt his presence in my life at many times. His my Savior. He is my Redeemer. Without his Atoning Sacrifice I would be forever lost and unable to return to live with our Father in Heaven. When I am troubled he speaks peace to my soul. He has helped me change to a better person. He blesses me daily with all that I have, and so long as I follow him, I can have his Spirit to be with me. This is a little bit of what I would describe as my relationship with Him. But even so, you can not know it. You can only culture your own relationship and strive to be an example in word and deed of a true disiple of Christ. You can only hope that I do truely know Jesus Christ, as I can only hope the same for you.

Einoo T. Spork · **Posted:** Thu Dec 22, 2005 1:04 am

OK, I'm not even participating in this thread, but we are in need of a MAJOR Toastpaint.

Beyond the Grave · **Posted:** Thu Dec 22, 2005 1:05 am

Einoo, this thread is about Christian Denominations and discussing what a real denomination is is part of this thread.

Ok I have found a few quotes from the Catechism of the Catholic Church that may help.

Catechism Paragraph #108 wrote:

Still, the Christian faith is not a "religion of the book." Christianity is the religion of the "Word" of God, a word which is "not a written and mute word, but the Word is incarnate and living". If the Scriptures are not to remain a dead letter, Christ, the eternal Word of the living God, must, through the Holy Spirit, "open [our] minds to understand the Scriptures."

Catechism Paragraph #107 wrote:

The inspired books teach the truth. "Since therefore all that the inspired authors or sacred writers affirm should be regarded as affirmed by the Holy Spirit, we must acknowledge that the books of Scripture firmly, faithfully, and without error teach that truth which God, for the sake of our salvation, wished to see confided to the Sacred Scriptures."

Here is a couple of things that the Roman Catholic Church has said about being a Christian. Hope it helps.

lahimatoa · **Posted:** Thu Dec 22, 2005 3:01 pm

Quote:

Ok I have found a few quotes from the Catechism of the Catholic Church that may help

Whoever said the Catholic church is the final authority on who's Christian and who's not? Seems like a slightly biased view, to me.

Also, that Revelations quote is only used by people who heard it from their church leader to denounce the LDS faith. seamusz explained the truth of it rather well.

Again, if I don't fit your narrow view of "Christian", then fine. Maybe it should bother me more, but it doesn't. It's just a disagreement on semantics... that's all.

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