Hannah:
So to sum up, I proclaim a crucified and risen God because that is the only God I know. I acknowledge no other God, because the God I worship tells me, "You shall have no other gods." And I proclaim the God of Scripture because it is precisely in the Scriptures where this God reveals himself most fully, specifically in the one place, one time in all of human history where God and Man can meet face to face: the Cross. For me, it all hinges on the Cross, for that is where my God is to be found.

You know only one god, and all endevours to discover more are hindered by the "NO OTHER DAMN GODS!" rule....... oooooooooooo....k

Statisticly, the chance that you're believing in the RIGHT god is very very small. There were a ton of religions before christianity, all of which are, of course, false ("YOU SHALL NAVE NO OTHER GODS!"), and there have been religions AFTER christianity, which are also false ("I SAID: YOU SHALL HAVE NO OTHER GODS!"). Count in the sentient sponges on Random Planet 434535 who worship the Great Zonko and such, and.... very very small chance.

Other religions have scriptures too. They have Gods of Scripture. These scriptures may differ frighteningly from the bible. Yet these people will INSIST that they are right. And so will you. This constant bickering over religion ruins whatever credibility ANY religion or scripture had.

It just seems very weak and feeble. Read 'n' reply.

Cookies for referencing people we know existed (extra cookie for the Aquinus reference) this time.

And statistically the chance we are right about there being no "higher power" is very slim as well.

will this atheist rot in hell or stink up the place in purgetory?

Hannah:

1. Who says I don't know anything about other religions? I have a Bachelor's in Humanities and a Master of Divinity. You don't get one of those without knowing at least a little something about other religions. I have personally studied the teachings of Hindu, Dao, and Shinto, all as part of my academic studies (I could factor in Jewish as well, but some would argue that it doesn't count, since one can hardly study Christianity without a fair amount of exposure to the Hebrew faith).

2. Why does that standard apply to me and not others? I mean, did you happen to read how KN introduced himself on this thread? Do you think that it's fair for him to make the kind of challenges he made, but that I am not allowed to respond with my own faith? (In case you didn't happen to notice, his very first post on this thread was essentially, "I want to argue with Christians so that I can slam them and ignore what they have to say." He even went as far as to make several ad hominem attacks against me personally. That is hardly conducive to the spirit of intelligent discussion, and all I did was challenge him on that attitude).

3. The parents of that one kid are extremists. I am not an extremist. I read Harry Potter and listen to Freestyle music, for goodness sake. I think it is a bit unfair to characterize me as an extremist just because I happen to believe the words of Jesus are true, and happen to encourage other people to do the same (in fact, it's my job). My point is that I cannot take my own faith seriously and also simultaneously accept other religious philosophies that do not agree with his words as valid.

4. My disagreement with other religious philosophies is not based on ignorance, but on knowledge. I know my God, and I know what he says. Therefore, for me to disagree with someone who disagrees with the words of my God is not ignorance.

I will concede that respect for other people is the best way to approach this subject. That's part of the reason I was so hard on KN. I felt he was extremely disrespectful to Christians like myself when he came on this forum. Recent posts by mods suggest that I am not wrong in this assessment. That's also why, when Choco began insulting KN, I urged him to refrain. But respect for persons does not necessarily mean I have to believe everything they try to tell me.

But that respect goes two ways. And the question I posed to you earlier is this: how much respect are you willing to offer to me and to what I believe? I posed the question before, if Jesus really did say, "Make disciples of all people," then do I not have the responsibility to follow, and is that not true for every Christian? If Jesus really did say, "I am the way, the truth, and the life; no one comes unto the Father except by me," then do I not have a responsibility to present this way, this truth, and this life to people, so that they too might come to the Father?

And I will give you credit, Hannah. You have not attacked me personally, nor do I regard your challenges as personal attacks. You show signs of someone who is at least considering these deeper issues.

If we do that, then that person can't be saved. We want people to spend eternity in Heaven with us & God.

I feel the absolute BEST thing to do is to set an example, in that case. The aggressive, deceptive, and even abrasive evangelism some people perform does the exact OPPOSITE of what evangelists hope to accomplish.

That's one reason it's so hard to save people over the internet. They can't see your actions, only your words.

Instead of setting out to save people, why not simply talk about your religion? It would promote intelligent discussion, make people more enlightened about things they don't know, and it would'nt scare people away. IF someone gets saved in the proccess (And I wouldn't be suprised if more people were) then right on.

Well...that's what I do. I honestly see everyone's point - heck, I'M Christian, and I don't like it when other Christians are "pushing" religion on others. I get what you guys mean. But also, the respect needs to go both ways. I don't want to be called "stupid", "naive" or "backwards" for believing in what I do (and admittedly, most do not do this), and I, in return, will not call you "heathen", "sinner" or "evil" for what you believe (or don't believe).

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Try me, nubcake

He, I'm posting in this thread o.O

I've watched FOX once. Damn..... government propaganda . Makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside that our networks only really give a crap about showing us as much reality soap re-runs as possible.

eh, but i don't think we will ever be clear of all those people who try to start a fight. I wonder if we can put an end to that by putting an end to KN.... *begins evil plotting*

I'm pretty sure it was in this topic where I posted "actions speak louder than words." You're not going to save anybody by telling them to become Christians. You need to be nice to them and try to do what Jesus would do.

It's a corporate (not state-run, CORPORATE) network

Not to mention he would've been murdered if he tried converting one of those agressive muslims we have here

Pepper spray? Sweet. This country is coming along fine.

And I don't know this? Of course it is. Corporations just have a bigger interest in Republicans, thus making it unintentional government propaganda.

Propaganda is a specific type of message presentation aimed at serving an agenda. At its root, the denotation of propaganda is 'to propagate (actively spread) a philosophy or point of view'. The most common use of the term (historically) is in political contexts; in particular to refer to certain efforts sponsored by governments or political groups.