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Author:  Ju Ju Master [ Sun Apr 09, 2006 11:43 pm ]
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I'm sorry to hear about that, Ramrod. I'm not religious, but if there is a god and a heaven, and your friend was truthful to god, I think he would forgive him, if god considers suicide a sin. People have repented worse sins before, and supposedly were forgiven by god.
Author:  Schmelen [ Mon Apr 10, 2006 12:29 pm ]
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It seems like everyone I know has thought of commiting suicide...
I myself have never really been suicidal.
Yeah, I think it would be the same as any other way. It ought not to be a sin.
Author:  StrongRad [ Mon Apr 10, 2006 2:15 pm ]
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Whenever people mention suicide, my thoughts usually boil down to something similar to "ok, so maybe they wouldn't have their problems anymore, but they'd be passing them on to their friends and families and others in their community." To me that is kind of selfish. Seriously, it's terrible enough that suicide takes a life, but what's even worse is what it does to those around someone who commits suicide. So far, this is the first school year in a while that one of my friends hasn't done that.
Last February, it was my friend Eric. He was suffering depression, and instead of actually trying to treat it, his doctors just put him on a bunch of medication. Actually, every friend I've had that's committed suicide have been on some sort of antidepressant. It's funny in a morbid way. The medicene seems to be causing them to do exactly the opposite of what it's supposed to do.
Author:  Didymus [ Mon Apr 10, 2006 9:59 pm ]
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I have imagined it, but never seriously considered it. I've always been too much of a fighter, and suicide seems too much like flight than fight. The only time I would ever seriously consider it is if I'm already dying to start with (like from cancer or something), but even then, I'd rather allow God to be in control than taking matters into my own hands.

And right now, my dad is on medication for depression. Now you've got me worried, SR. But my dad's like me: he's a fighter, too. So I do take some comfort in that.

Gecko Man wrote:
I've contemplated (and actually attempted) suicide before, and I've never gotten a clear, solid answer if I'm going to hell if it actually works,

I wouldn't risk it. Ultimately, suicide is taking your own life into your own hands rather than trusting God. Doesn't mean it's not forgivable, but it does make it the kind of thing a Christian should not do.
Author:  Acekirby [ Mon Apr 10, 2006 10:39 pm ]
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I've considered suicide a couple of times, but I never got the courage up to actually do it because I'm a coward. I guess that's actually good for me. In my mind, it's better to try and struggle through then to end it immediately. If you struggle through, you might break free and get a better life. If you just commit suicide, it's over.

I'm also very sorry about your friend, Ramrod. I'll be praying for him, no matter where he's ended up.
Author:  PizzaTrophy [ Tue Apr 11, 2006 6:18 am ]
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SO sorry to hear this ramrod.
Sometimes the thought has crossed my mind a while back, but it would be mean for me to make my family and friends feel the same way I did.

I'm not religious, but I hope your friend ended up in the right place.
Author:  TrogdorTSL [ Tue Apr 11, 2006 3:43 pm ]
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I'm a Catholic, and I asked this same question in Sunday School one day. Apparently, some suicides happen because of chemical imbalances in the brain. This isnt considered a sin, because the person has no control over it. Other times they do it out of anger or frustration. Thats not to be confused with chemical imbalances making them more volitile, I'm talking about people who can't cope as well because there is something wrong with their brain. So if there was something wrong with them (which we can't actually know for sure), then they can still go to heaven. If not, they'll go to Hell, or perhaps purgatory.

Speaking of actually thinking about it, I think most people have. If I didn't firmly believe in God I would either kill myself or run rampant having sex and shooting people. Luckily for society, I love Christ. :cheatgrin:

A friend of mine commited suicide too. She was a good friend of mine that I met on a student trip to Australia/NZ. She was in my group of students I was going with. About a year after the trip she killed herself because her boyfriend dumped her. Just shot herself in the heart. I won't elaborate any farther...
Author:  InterruptorJones [ Tue Apr 11, 2006 4:27 pm ]
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TrogdorTSL wrote:
So if there was something wrong with them (which we can't actually know for sure), then they can still go to heaven. If not, they'll go to Hell, or perhaps purgatory.


Uh.. maybe I'm pointing out the obvious, here, but if you commit suicide, there was something wrong with you.
Author:  Prof. Tor Coolguy [ Tue Apr 11, 2006 5:17 pm ]
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InterruptorJones wrote:
TrogdorTSL wrote:
So if there was something wrong with them (which we can't actually know for sure), then they can still go to heaven. If not, they'll go to Hell, or perhaps purgatory.


Uh.. maybe I'm pointing out the obvious, here, but if you commit suicide, there was something wrong with you.


IJ has a point. Hey Diddy, what's the bible's stance on mental illness?
Author:  Didymus [ Tue Apr 11, 2006 5:34 pm ]
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It doesn't really discuss mental illness. Some people think that mental illness and demonic possession are synonymous (which leads some to believe that the demoniacs in Scripture were just mentally ill, or just as bad, that modern day mentally ill people are demon-possessed), but I don't think that's really the case.

But that is a real problem when addressing the issue of suicide. It has been suggested that some anti-depressants actually induce suicidal tendencies (I have to chuckle at that one anti-depressant commercial on TV, where it says that suicidal thoughts is one of the common side effects--great! I'm dead, but at least I'm not depressed anymore!). And all of this is really scary for me right now: my Dad was just diagnosed as mentally ill and is taking anti-depressants.
Author:  Shippinator Mandy [ Thu Apr 13, 2006 4:32 am ]
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Marshmallow Roast wrote:
I was suicidal a while back


Gah, don't remind me. I was so worried about you.

Anyway, I've contemplated it, but I've never actually considered it, if that makes any sense. I've been depressed before, but I never thought, "I'm gonna kill myself"--it was more like, "I feel like dropping dead". There's a difference.

And yeah, I do think it's funny (well, funny isn't really the right word--ironic, I guess?) that antidepressants can have suicidal thoughts as side effects. I wouldn't worry though, Dids. Most side effects are rare. (I'm on Zoloft, and I haven't been suicidal yet.) Of course, that doesn't mean that I'm not worried about getting Stevens-Johnson Syndrome now that I'm on an anticonvulsant...it's a horrible skin disease with a high fatality rate. But again, it's extremely rare, so I shouldn't be worrying! :)
Author:  Choc-o-Lardiac Arrest [ Thu Apr 13, 2006 5:46 am ]
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well im on Pail, and i havent encountered Eric-Harris Disease yet.
Author:  Code J [ Thu Apr 13, 2006 6:45 am ]
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StrongRad wrote:
If there's any doubt as to your ultimate destination, I would advise against suicide. Actually, I advise against it, anyway. Nothing is so bad that you should commit suicide. NOTHING.


Actually, I'm sure there are some situations where suicide would probably the best thing.
Author:  ramrod [ Thu Apr 13, 2006 3:40 pm ]
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When I read some of the posts here, I'm reminded of something that happened to me. I guess nearly two months ago I had a horrible day. Possibly my worst up to that point. It was one of those days where I actually cried at work. Now I usually keep my emotions under control, but that day I coundn't. I nearly died that day. My then friend and roommate, who is a federal agent, occasionally brings home his service pistol to make him feel all superior. If he hadn't kept it at work that day, I honestly and seriously whould have shot myself. I'm not sure why it wasn't there. Devine interaction perhaps? I'm not sure. My friends, my real life friends don't even know about that. I can't tell them. I've always been the one to help them, and to help them carry their cross, but I can't help myself. It rips me up inside.

But then, weeks after that, it all happened again. I finally confronted my then friend at the appartment. We had a huge fight, which nearly lead to an actual fist fight. I was so full of emotions that I ran from the place, and spend half the night sleeping outside some random person's door on a cold March night. All those thoughts, those suicidal thoughts came back with a vengence. I couldn't stand it anymore. It wasn't until my friend and neighbor found me and took me back. I ended sleeping next door on the floor, beause I couldn't bare to have anyone else see my like I was, shivering, tear stained face. The next day I moved out in one trip (with my brothers help) I haven't seem my roommate since, and I don't think I ever can. The things he said to me still hurt, still burn. To be honest, there really hasn't been a day that I can remember where I haven't thought about suicide. I need help, but I won't go, because like what my roommate said, I'm weak and scared,
Author:  Didymus [ Thu Apr 13, 2006 4:51 pm ]
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All of us are weak and scared at times. Those who pretend to be the strongest are usually the weakest and scaredest(?).
Author:  What's Her Face [ Thu Apr 13, 2006 11:35 pm ]
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ramrod wrote:
To be honest, there really hasn't been a day that I can remember where I haven't thought about suicide. I need help, but I won't go, because like what my roommate said, I'm weak and scared,


I'm so sorry to hear that, ramrod, and to everyone else here who's felt like that. And I'll tell this to you as to anyone who's going through this right now - there is NO reason why you shouldn't get help if you need it.

I don't want to presume anything here, but if it's affecting your life in any way, you need to address it before it takes over. There are people out here who know how to help. And if you need to confront your ex-roommate again over what he said, I say do it. It's a mountain to climb, but it's not hopeless.

But I'd say that it's probably not that uncommon to think about suicide once in a while. I heard once that one in four think about it (though I don't know if that's exact).

I thought about it, when I was about twelve - I actually prayed to God to end it for me once. Weird thing is I don't know why this came over me - given my age at the time, I'm putting it down to hormones. I was lucky that I got over it.
Author:  Beyond the Grave [ Thu Apr 13, 2006 11:46 pm ]
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ramrod wrote:
My friends, my real life friends don't even know about that. I can't tell them. I've always been the one to help them, and to help them carry their cross, but I can't help myself. It rips me up inside.
And you wonder why I don't trust anyone. Justin, I am your best friend, and you couldn't tell me that. Me, a person who has dealt with suicidal thoughts on many occasions. This is not something you keep from your friends. You are willing to help us with our problems, but you won't let us help you. That's not right, you can't go at this alone, it's not a one man fight. If you don't tell us we can't help you.
Author:  ramrod [ Thu Apr 13, 2006 11:53 pm ]
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What's Her Face wrote:
ramrod wrote:
To be honest, there really hasn't been a day that I can remember where I haven't thought about suicide. I need help, but I won't go, because like what my roommate said, I'm weak and scared,


I'm so sorry to hear that, ramrod, and to everyone else here who's felt like that. And I'll tell this to you as to anyone who's going through this right now - there is NO reason why you shouldn't get help if you need it.
Well, the thing is, I am kinda scared. I don't like medication. I didn't take Adderall for my "ADD" for the same reason. I believe that it's a way to regulate people from being unique and not forming opinions of their own. I know it's a ridiculous thought, but I'm a ridiculous guy.

What's Her Face wrote:
And if you need to confront your ex-roommate again over what he said, I say do it. It's a mountain to climb, but it's not hopeless.
I know I should. He leaves for Boot Camp for the Marines in August. But the way he's been acting, skipping work, dropping out of school, just staying at home drinking beer and smoking marijuana all the time, I don't think he'll make it far. He's way too full of himself, and when he falls, he's gonna fall hard.
Author:  What's Her Face [ Fri Apr 14, 2006 12:25 am ]
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ramrod wrote:
What's Her Face wrote:
ramrod wrote:
To be honest, there really hasn't been a day that I can remember where I haven't thought about suicide. I need help, but I won't go, because like what my roommate said, I'm weak and scared,


I'm so sorry to hear that, ramrod, and to everyone else here who's felt like that. And I'll tell this to you as to anyone who's going through this right now - there is NO reason why you shouldn't get help if you need it.
Well, the thing is, I am kinda scared. I don't like medication. I didn't take Adderall for my "ADD" for the same reason. I believe that it's a way to regulate people from being unique and not forming opinions of their own. I know it's a ridiculous thought, but I'm a ridiculous guy.


You may not necessarily need medication. Frankly, medication should be the absolute last resort when it comes to mental health, imo. What you might need is just a knowing and sympathetic ear - it can do a world of difference, let me tell you. Like BTG said, you've got friends to back you up. Or if you don't feel like talking to people you're close with - and that's alright too - there are professionals and other people out there who you could talk to.

Yeah, as advice goes, that's probably not the most helpful. Asking for help is easier said than done. But don't think that you have to go through
this alone - that's the bottom line.

ramrod wrote:
But the way he's been acting, skipping work, dropping out of school, just staying at home drinking beer and smoking marijuana all the time, I don't think he'll make it far. He's way too full of himself, and when he falls, he's gonna fall hard.


Ah, he's one of those, is he? I think every one of us has met one of those, I know I have. And usually when people like this throw insults at you, or starting peeing you off, or do the a-hole things they do, it speaks more about how screwed up they are. That's got nothing to do with you.
Author:  ramrod [ Fri Apr 14, 2006 3:43 am ]
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What's Her Face wrote:
You may not necessarily need medication. Frankly, medication should be the absolute last resort when it comes to mental health, imo.
But unfortunately you're seeing a lot more perscriptions being written for them. It seems that the doctors would rather just give you some meds than actually listen to what you have to say.
Author:  Jerome [ Sat Apr 15, 2006 1:02 am ]
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I've never wanted to commit suicide myself. I'm way too scared of death to ever hasten it. Whenever I start really thinking about death (I mean really thinking about it) my stomach twists and I have to go and occupy myself with something I enjoy, like watching a funny movie or something.

Call me tactless, but I reckon that a lot of the time people commit suicide for really stupid reasons - because they're being bullied, or because their girlfriend or boyfriend left them, or because of some other trivial thing. They should try living the life of some of the other people on the planet: the people who can only get access to contaminated water, or the people who are living in a war-torn country, or the kids born with HIV. Those are the people who have a legitimate reason to top themselves.

Take a look at this page: http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=suicide Believe it or not, this page actually stopped a lot of people from committing suicide when they read it and realised how stupid they were being.
Author:  IantheGecko [ Sat Apr 15, 2006 2:25 am ]
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OK, so last night after I read this thread, a little light went on in my head. So I wrote a parable about suicide:

One day, a young man received a brand new car from his parents for his 18th birthday. It had a state-of-the-art stereo, chrome rims, satellite navigation...everything a guy could want in a car. The young man thanked his parents for their generosity, & went off to college that fall.

He started off well in college, but he quickly fell short on money; he didn't get scholarships, take out student loans, or pass all of his classes. He desperately needed cash. So he turned to his most valuable possession; his car.

The young man took it to a shop and had it taken apart, and sold for parts. Now he had enough money to pay off his debts...but he couldn't get anywhere. He lived off-campus, so he either had to take the bus-which cost money that he didn't have anymore-or walk. This spelled more trouble for the young man; he had to get up earlier so he could get to his classes on time, and he had to go to bed earlier so he could sleep long enough.

The lesson is this: Thank God for the life He has given you. It is a gift; keep it & cherish it. Never give it away for anything, for what good is receiving a gift if you don't use it?
Author:  What's Her Face [ Sat Apr 15, 2006 4:18 pm ]
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Jerome wrote:
Take a look at this page: http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=suicide Believe it or not, this page actually stopped a lot of people from committing suicide when they read it and realised how stupid they were being.


That stopped people from killing themselves? Somehow I don't think that's true.

IanTheGecko wrote:
*the Gecko's parable*


That's a nice sentiment, Gecko.
Author:  IantheGecko [ Sat Apr 15, 2006 5:45 pm ]
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^I have no idea if that was supposed to be sarcasm, seeing as how this is the Internet.
Author:  Einoo T. Spork [ Sat Apr 15, 2006 7:15 pm ]
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What's Her Face wrote:
Jerome wrote:
Take a look at this page: http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=suicide Believe it or not, this page actually stopped a lot of people from committing suicide when they read it and realised how stupid they were being.


That stopped people from killing themselves? Somehow I don't think that's true.


Never underestimate the power of the Sarcastic Side.
Author:  Didymus [ Sat Apr 15, 2006 8:35 pm ]
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IantheGecko wrote:
^I have no idea if that was supposed to be sarcasm, seeing as how this is the Internet.

WHF isn't typically a sarcastic person.
Author:  IantheGecko [ Sat Apr 15, 2006 9:20 pm ]
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Never thought I'd have to say this to Didy, but TOAST PAINT!
Author:  PizzaTrophy [ Sun Apr 16, 2006 7:18 am ]
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Wow, ramrod.
What a scary experience for you.

You're one of the people I know best on here (as much as you can know someone without actually knowing them) and I feel scared for you!

I think you need to talk to someone every now and again about stuff like that. Not someone you know, but maybe a counsellor at college?
Medication is a touchy issue. If you don't want meds you shouldnt be forced onto them. Most of the side effects you hear about are horrendous. And you gradually become dependant on them....

If you ever need to talk just PM me or something, I'm listening
Author:  StrongRad [ Sun Apr 16, 2006 3:06 pm ]
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PizzaTrophy wrote:
I think you need to talk to someone every now and again about stuff like that. Not someone you know, but maybe a counsellor at college?
Medication is a touchy issue. If you don't want meds you shouldnt be forced onto them. Most of the side effects you hear about are horrendous. And you gradually become dependant on them....

Yes, those side effects ARE horrible. Seems like more people who take the meds commit suicide than those who don't (ok, I don't know if that's a side effect or if that means the meds aren't working).

But Dormar, you know we're here for you, bub.
Author:  ramrod [ Sun Apr 16, 2006 7:02 pm ]
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StrongRad wrote:
But Dormar, you know we're here for you, bub.
I know, and I thank you all for that. Honestly, it's you people here and fans of my site that ultimately saved me. There's so much stuff that I need to do with my life. I honestly don't know what I would have done without this place and my friends.
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