Quote: And, taking things to the extreme, i know, but if you cant call someone who would like to see people who have had abortions or those who perform abortions dead 'warped', then there is no point discussing the values of life.
And who are you talking about here? Extremists? But what you have done in what you were saying was attributing their extremism to all pro-lifers. But as I read your post, I did not see any attempt to distinguish between extremists and moderates like myself.
Instead, you called the religion I hold dear "warped." That's a far cry from addressing a particular extremist behavior or attitude. And that's why I responded the way I did. I will not tolerate you insulting my religion like that. And, from what MHG said, neither will the mods.
Quote: "They" being pro-lifers holding rallys at abortion clinics.
And what's wrong with rallies? There were plenty of them in the Sixties when people were fighting for civil rights.
And that part about dismissing miscarriages: I think you've got us wrong there, pal. We recognize miscarriage as a tragedy. Heck, I can testify to that first hand: I had a dear cousin who suffered a miscarriage, and was even asked to pray at the meal afterwards. My cousin can certainly tell you a thing or two about what she suffered. Heck, she couldn't even go to my uncle's church (her father) because her child was buried in that cemetary.
You've proposed that, unless we treat every case of miscarriage as a criminal activity on the part of the mother, even when there is no malicious intent or negligent behavior on the part of the mother, then we are not consistent in our beliefs. To which I respond, Be Realistic Here! No one ever claimed that miscarriage is not tragic. But to treat all mothers of miscarried babies as criminals in all cases is an extremist approach. For that reason, I do not buy your argument.
So how is it different? Because miscarriages occur naturally, just like disease and other natural causes of death. And unless there is evidence or probable cause to suspect negligence on the part of the mother, then why subject her to further grief?
Quote: I dont consider her a criminal. If she didnt have the abortion, she would have died when the embryo grew to near birth age.
But this is a clear case where it was either her life or the child's. On a case like this, I cannot comment, particularly since I do not know the agony that she probably suffered as a result.
However, the majority of cases of abortion are not on account of health reasons or danger to the mother's life. The vast majority are essentially a type of retroactive birth control. I.e., people who really ought to be more responsible in their sexual conduct who want a quick fix to the problem of pregnancy. My philosophy is very simple: if you cannot handle the responsibility of bringing a new life into the world, then don't take the risk. Be responsible in your sexual conduct (I've also done an extensive amount of research on sexual addiction as part of my CPE training, so I can testify that there are detrimental psychological consequences to irresponsible sexual conduct).
My stance: if it can be medically attested that the mother's life is in real danger, then I would say the abortion should be allowed (since it is essentially one life or the other). However, for those people who are simply irresponsible in their sexual conduct, they should not be afforded the easy solution of killing their children.
Your apple/apple tree analogy. Here's an essential flaw: the human zygote does not correspond to the apple. A human zygote corresponds better to an apple seed that has been planted and is starting to sprout.
And just as every apple seed that takes root and sprouts has the potential to become a great tree, so every human zygote that attaches to a mother's womb has the potential to become a great human being. Imagine what the world would have looked like if Martin Luther King Jr's mother had aborted the zygote that became him. Or Albert Einstein's mother. Or if the mother of your best friend. Or your own mother. The world would have been deprived of a great person, or at the very least, a person who has touched your life in some way (or if not yours, then others). Every human being on the face of this earth was once a zygote. Who are we to judge that anyone on the face of this planet should never have the chance to become who they were destined to become.
Well, I might not mind it if it were that Really Mean German Guy Whose Name Your Not Supposed To Mention, but at that stage of development, how can you tell? The point is, by killing the zygote, you are robbing a human being of great potential.
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