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PostPosted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 1:19 am 
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Not sure what to think about this one.

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Scientists cured cancer last week.

Yep.

So, why hasn't the media picked up on it?

Here's the deal. Researchers at the University of Alberta in Edmonton, Canada found a cheap and easy to produce drug that kills almost all cancers. The drug is dichloroacetate, and since it is already used to treat metabolic disorders, we know it should be no problem to use it for other purposes.

Doesn't this sound like the kind of news you see on the front page of every paper?

The drug also has no patent, which means it could be produced for bargain basement prices in comparison to what drug companies research and develop.

Scientists tested DCA on human cells cultured outside the body where it killed lung, breast and brain cancer cells, but left healthy cells alone. Rats plump with tumors shrank when they were fed water supplemented with DCA.

Again, this seems like it should be at the top of the nightly news, right?

Cancer cells don't use the little power stations found in most human cells - the mitochondria. Instead, they use glycolysis, which is less effective and more wasteful.

Doctors have long believed the reason for this is because the mitochondria were damaged somehow. But, it turns out the mitochondria were just dormant, and DCA starts them back up again.

The side effect of this is it also reactivates a process called apoptosis. You see, mitochondria contain an all-too-important self-destruct button that can't be pressed in cancer cells. Without it, tumors grow larger as cells refuse to be extinguished. Fully functioning mitochondria, thanks to DCA, can once again die.

With glycolysis turned off, the body produces less lactic acid, so the bad tissue around cancer cells doesn't break down and seed new tumors.

Here's the big catch. Pharmaceutical companies probably won't invest in research into DCA because they won't profit from it. It's easy to make, unpatented and could be added to drinking water. Imagine, Gatorade with cancer control.

So, the groundwork will have to be done at universities and independently funded laboratories. But, how are they supposed to drum up support if the media aren't even talking about it?

All I can do is write this and hope Google News picks it up. In the meantime, tell everyone you know and do your own research.

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They never tested INSIDE the body. Only on test tubes outside the body. They can't just say "I tested killing cancer on test tube cells, and it worked!". They got to actually have human Guinea Pigs with cancer for it to work.

Man, I knew it was too good to be true.

But, they are going somewhere with this. I think scientists are getting closer to curing cancer.

If it was true, then I hope it works on Colon Cancer. My uncle is hospitalized from it, and just recently got surgery.

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They never tested INSIDE the body. Only on test tubes outside the body. They can't just say "I tested killing cancer on test tube cells, and it worked!". They got to actually have human Guinea Pigs with cancer for it to work.

Man, I knew it was too good to be true.

But, they are going somewhere with this. I think scientists are getting closer to curing cancer.

If it was true, then I hope it works on Colon Cancer. My uncle is hospitalized from it, and just recently got surgery.

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It said the main chemical was used in previous drugs, so it most likely doesn't require testing, although it would be nice.

That being said, I have heard virtually hundred of these cancer cures, and not one has taken off. Sorry, but I am gonna take this with a ton of skepticism

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Here's the big catch. Pharmaceutical companies probably won't invest in research into DCA because they won't profit from it.

Am I the only one that smells a big, fat conspiracy theory rat here?

Little hint to the writer of this ad... Leave out hints of conspiracy if you want people to believe it.

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They never tested INSIDE the body. Only on test tubes outside the body. They can't just say "I tested killing cancer on test tube cells, and it worked!". They got to actually have human Guinea Pigs with cancer for it to work.

It says in it that they tested it on rats bulging with tumors, and it cleared them.

By George, I gotta tell someone about this!

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They never tested INSIDE the body. Only on test tubes outside the body. They can't just say "I tested killing cancer on test tube cells, and it worked!". They got to actually have human Guinea Pigs with cancer for it to work.

It says in it that they tested it on rats bulging with tumors, and it cleared them.

By George, I gotta tell someone about this!

Yes, EVERYTHING that works on rats works on humans..
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Yes, EVERYTHING that works on rats works on humans..
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Well, we're not all that different at the cellular level. Chances are fairly good that if it works on a rat, it will have a similar effect on a human.

While I agree that more tests need to be done, I think that, if true, this definitely has potential.


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Here's the link to the source of the article.
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn1 ... ncers.html

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While I agree that more tests need to be done, I think that, if true, this definitely has potential.

Assuming it's true, yes. I'm still looking at this with a healthy bit of skepticism. I've seen too many "cures" fail.

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StrongRad wrote:
Simon Zeno wrote:
While I agree that more tests need to be done, I think that, if true, this definitely has potential.

Assuming it's true, yes. I'm still looking at this with a healthy bit of skepticism. I've seen too many "cures" fail.

yeah, like that cure for Aids that traveling salesman sold me. Didn't work at all, and he ran off with $40.

EDIT: More Proof:
http://www.depmed.ualberta.ca/dca/

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There's probably some kind of catch, I guess.

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There's probably some kind of catch, I guess.
There's always a catch to Everything. If you dig deep enough, you can probably find it.

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There's probably some kind of catch, I guess.
There's always a catch to Everything. If you dig deep enough, you can probably find it.


Pfff...silly scientists! Why can't they just make a drug that cures everything instantly, lasts forever, has no negative side effects, and costs cheap as free? Is that REALLY so much to ask? Why, I bet this guy already has such a product available!: :bubs:

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There's probably some kind of catch, I guess.
There's always a catch to Everything. If you dig deep enough, you can probably find it.


Pfff...silly scientists! Why can't they just make a drug that cures everything instantly, lasts forever, has no negative side effects, and costs cheap as free?

You know the answer to that... It's George Bush and his rich pharmaceutical buddies and, of course, Global Warming. :p

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i don't believe the article because it was in the opinion section. and i dont give a crap how big of a conspiracy drug makers have (they are at least guilty of collusion, however), they wouldn't snub a cure for cancer. people say stuff like this all the time. it's like saying that the medical establishment hates crystal healing because it's not profitable, when in fact it is highly profitable, but it is a load of steaming poo.


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Mmm.

I dunno what to think.

I've seen a lot of these "miracle cures" going around online, whether it's for AIDS or back pain. "Rub this stick of random crap on your skin and your arthritis will be cured!" "This pill will cure pneumonia, tuberculosis, bird flu, mad cow disease, SARS, and whatever else you're scared of!" I mean, they're all through, like... Google Ads, but whatever...

I find it hard to believe that the drug companies think it's "not profitable". Hospitals would buy it in bulk, people would jack the price up, everyone gets cured, the rich get richer, happy happy fun time for all. Drug research facilities will not say "We won't research this" because the drug is easy to make/cheap/blarg, they will say it if the product has no basis for its claims and is basically a large pile of crap.

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There's been a couple of cures for quite a while now. We have the technology to find a cure for cancer. They know what cancer is, and there are people smart enough to find a cure for it. The thing about curing a disease is that you can't just give everyone a vaccine and it'll disappear forever. You don't just give someone a pill and their cancer goes away. If you give a group of people a certain treatment over a long period of time, eventually them and their children will become immune to it and the disease will be worse the second time around. They treating people with many possible cures for cancer right now. But they're probably never gonna completely wipe out cancer. It will probably just become less of a problem and easier to deal with.


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There's been a couple of cures for quite a while now. We have the technology to find a cure for cancer. They know what cancer is, and there are people smart enough to find a cure for it. The thing about curing a disease is that you can't just give everyone a vaccine and it'll disappear forever. You don't just give someone a pill and their cancer goes away. If you give a group of people a certain treatment over a long period of time, eventually them and their children will become immune to it and the disease will be worse the second time around. They treating people with many possible cures for cancer right now. But they're probably never gonna completely wipe out cancer. It will probably just become less of a problem and easier to deal with.

hrmm...

Man 1: "Ohh crap, I got cancer again!"
Man 2: "Don't worry, we'll stop by Rite Aid and pick up some Benedryl-C+"
Man 1: "I just hope I don't get Space Cold again"

Yeah...The future looks bright... Except when it comes to space cold.

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StrongRad wrote:
PianoManGidley wrote:
ramrod wrote:
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There's probably some kind of catch, I guess.
There's always a catch to Everything. If you dig deep enough, you can probably find it.


Pfff...silly scientists! Why can't they just make a drug that cures everything instantly, lasts forever, has no negative side effects, and costs cheap as free?

You know the answer to that... It's George Bush and his rich pharmaceutical buddies and, of course, Global Warming. :p

You forgot to blame the Christian Fundamentalists, who are clearly to blame for everything that's wrong with the world. Especially the lack of a wonder drug.

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But they're probably never gonna completely wipe out cancer. It will probably just become less of a problem and easier to deal with.

hrmm...

Man 1: "Ohh crap, I got cancer again!"
Man 2: "Don't worry, we'll stop by Rite Aid and pick up some Benedryl-C+"
Man 1: "I just hope I don't get Space Cold again"

Yeah...The future looks bright... Except when it comes to space cold.


XDD

If that does not end up in mathgrant's sig I will be very disappointed.

Yes, I know that has been said before. But NEVERTHELESS!!

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If you give a group of people a certain treatment over a long period of time, eventually them and their children will become immune to it and the disease will be worse the second time around.


That only happens with bacteria and viruses (which can develop a resistance), which don't cause cancer. Cancer is different because it's a problem with your own body, not an outside agent that disrupts your body.

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It should be noted that "Cancer" is not just one thing. There are different types of cancer. A drug that works on one type of cancer might not work on another. Also, drugs often work differently inside and outside of the body. Just because it has some effect on a cancer cell in a test tube is no guarantee that it will do the same thing (or anything) inside the body. It might even have adverse effects once inside the human body.

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It should be noted that "Cancer" is not just one thing. There are different types of cancer. A drug that works on one type of cancer might not work on another. Also, drugs often work differently inside and outside of the body. Just because it has some effect on a cancer cell in a test tube is no guarantee that it will do the same thing (or anything) inside the body. It might even have adverse effects once inside the human body.

They tested it on Rats.

Yes, yes, and your response will be "Everything that works on rats works on humans :rolleyes:," but if it works on rats, then it means that it should be suitable for human testing.

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Einoo T. Spork wrote:
Choc-o-Lardiac Arrest wrote:
PieMax wrote:
But they're probably never gonna completely wipe out cancer. It will probably just become less of a problem and easier to deal with.

hrmm...

Man 1: "Ohh crap, I got cancer again!"
Man 2: "Don't worry, we'll stop by Rite Aid and pick up some Benedryl-C+"
Man 1: "I just hope I don't get Space Cold again"

Yeah...The future looks bright... Except when it comes to space cold.


XDD

If that does not end up in mathgrant's sig I will be very disappointed.

Yes, I know that has been said before. But NEVERTHELESS!!


I beat him to it.

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I heard this mentioned on the evening news, that some scientists had found a Cure to Cancer, but it had not been mass-produced yet.

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Nope.

These things seriously come up every few months. "Scientists cure cancer" is code for "scientists need funding for their experiments, so they pretend that they've made great achievements thus far to get your money and more investors."

No exaggeration. I've literally seen hundreds of these things before.

One thing is for sure: When a cure to cancer (even though not all forms of cancer will likely have the same cure) is found, it will be the loudest thing on the news. It will be impossible to miss.

And all this "Well, the big pharmacuetical companies wont make it because they are afraid they wont make money" rhetoric is pure bull. There are millions of people with cancer, and even if we had a cure, there would be no way to prevent it, which would mean that a cure to cancer would be a very lucrative asset.

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One thing is for sure: When a cure to cancer (even though not all forms of cancer will likely have the same cure) is found, it will be the loudest thing on the news. It will be impossible to miss.


I'm not so sure about this. When the cure is found, there have to be zillions and zillions of tests done before its released to the general public; or else it could be all over the news, and a day later they'll be like "Whoops, sorry, we were wrong!" That's probably what this news article was: someone thought they had found a cure for cancer, so they put it out prematurely.


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No, really, these things happen like every month. They arent mistakes, they are just scientists generating hype. Cancer is one of the most effective ways pharmaceutical companies have of making money.

I once saw a pamphlet in a doctor's office that said that the system they were advertising could cure all types of cancer, as well as osteoperosis, AIDS, and a bunch of other stuff. It really was bull.

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No, really, these things happen like every month.


Give me examples.

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No, really, these things happen like every month.


Give me some examples.


You know what's a fun game to play? It's called see how many times you can see the phrase 'exciting new cancer research in TIME magazine.

Here is a page that debunks the myths in the link you specified.

How to live forever. Yes, you read that correctly. (Notice the phrase 'given adequate funding...')

AIDS, as bad as it may be, can only be cured by a substance that makes up 75 percent of our bodies. Duh.

If you are a mouse with diabetes, I have good news. I wonder why scientists still get excited when an animal is cured. Anyone who has read medical news at all in the past 20 years knows that animal testing doesnt mean much. (1998 cures for cancer, anyone?)

That brings me to the next one: The 1998 cures for cancer. Once again, the mice luck out.

Parkinsons is a defficiency of yin in the liver. Herbs should do the trick. Has anyone told Michael J. Fox?

This one is just about the exact opposite of all the others. Instead of saying that they have found a cures, they are claiming that they have found the cause. Clearly, it must be processed milk. The odd thing: How do lactose intolerant people manage to get heart disease, allergies, etc.?

Fruit flies offer hope for liver diseases. They fail to mention that they offer hope to accelerate lab test results without actually changing the results. Essentially, not much is different, and your liver is still at risk.

My theory is that 2 scientists must have had a contest to see who could come up with the weirdest use for botox. One cured ugliness, now the other is curing motoneural diseases. With such high praise, it makes you wonder why the society for neuroscience doesnt mention it much. Or at all.

Watch TV at 1 in the morning. You'll see at least 10 commercials with people in white lab coats (As if the M.D. next to their name didnt let you know that they are doctors) all tell you that they have found the cure to being out of shape. Interesting. Although proper diet and physical training has worked for me (And billions of humans, for thousands of years), it actually lies in a small pill. Has anyone noticed that one commercial (I think it's cortisol) where they say that the clinical studies had peope who lost a lot of weight, and "of the weight they lost, 80% of it was body fat"? What they heck was the other 20%? Because I dont think human dignity is that heavy.

As of today, some scientists are claiming that cocoa may hold the key to preventing heart disease and other stuff. It looks like it might be hype, but this one actually has some credibility to it, (the healing is due to a nutrient in cocoa that is taken out when processed, which is why people who eat raw cocoa have benefitted, rather than us.) so I'll probably wait until some more evidence comes out (or doesnt) to comment.

There are some examples. I might post more later. I'll see if I can find the website for that one where the guy I mentioned in my other post. That one was the craziest.

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