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Yeah, I wouldn't be offended. I like debating, actually, and haven't done it since I brought up loco-parentis a while ago.

So, If you bring up a discussion like, "Do The Brothers Chaps Smoke Crack?" with valid points to defend you(I see none on your side of the argument of that right now, though) and it's in a civilised manner, I don't think anyone will yell at you, if you leave it up to other people. However, just saying that "they obviously smoke crack" without anything to back you up will get you yelled at by a few of us, and the board will be locked.

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Yeah...and you can't cuss here. Otherwise, I J will just CENSOR'D the crap outta you.

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Uhh...right now we're having a discussion over the rule about how admins are dictaters, and we've already covered that. Sorry.

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You mean calmly accepted in every social gathering in the country, except by the few who lean too far right, who of course are then brought attention to by those who lean too far left?

I'm not seeing a huge liberal complaint over how racist conservatives are to furries and goths on the Internet...

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I think Godwin's law is a very relevant and effective rule of thumb - it dissuades people from making any of several logical fallacies while debating (one of which you made in your post above, by the way). I've never heard of those other two laws you're talking about.

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No, it doesn't Godwins law just means you can't bring up Hitler which gets ridiculous if you are talking about certain aspects of politics that have relevance to it. It's just stupid and annoying and it doesn't stop any logical fallacies from being made as they're already covered elsewhere.

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Well, Wikipedia disagrees.

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Thanks Experimental Film, I couldn't figure out how to link to that article.

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"And also with yuuuu."

I've learned something today. I always thought Godwin's Law just meant that any time Hitler is used as a comparisson to a participant in a debate, the person using it automatically loses..

Now I know.

And knowing is half the battle. GI JOE

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If you can't fix it with a hammer, you have an electrical problem.

Except read this;

"Godwin's standard answer to this objection is to note that Godwin's Law does not dispute whether, in a particular instance, a reference or comparison to Hitler or the Nazis might be apt. It is precisely because such a reference or comparison may sometimes be appropriate, Godwin has argued, that hyperbolic overuse of the Hitler/Nazi comparison should be avoided. Avoiding such hyperbole, he argues, is a way of ensuring that when valid comparisons to Hitler or Nazis are made, such comparisons have the appropriate impact."

Nobody "uses" Godwin's law the way they're meant to, you don't "call" Godwin's law before a debate begins, that's just being silly.

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There are plenty, just not on here. But, sometimes we have to defend ourselves... like anyone should be able to do. I'd rather prove my intelligence first than be judged by the affiliation I have. I mostly do that. And, no, StrongRad, if I did judge conservatives, I wouldn't listen to their side of an arguement.



I admit I get plenty of strife, but I see that as an exaggeration.

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Well, what I was really aiming at was this bit near the end:

"Godwin's Law is not meant to describe situations in which Hitler or Nazis could reasonably be expected to be mentioned, such as a discussion of Germany in World War II."

since that's what you brought up, but I'm not really sure any more. I think Godwin's Law is more of just something humorous than serious.

Is this really the place to be discussing it, anyway?

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No, TOASTPAINT.

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Correct, Godwin's law was never intended to be serious originally, and isn't used seriously. Godwin reasoned that it may help to reduce the amount of throwaway Nazi references thus strengthening those that are worthy of mention. Unfortunately, since most internet people types use it in ALL cases, it really didn't work out like that.

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So strict on its usage... are you some kind of Nazi or something?

Heh. I don't think I have a problem with Nazi being used in that manner because sometimes it's the best word for describing things. When we say Nazi we mean it short for "Puritan", "Totalarian" or "Authoratarian"; none of which are very aesthetic.

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See, I think that what's worse than "Nazi" is the absolute destruction of the word "fascist" by people trying to make a statement. At least when someone says something like "Grammar Nazi" there's someone around to say "Godwin ".

But if Facist is gone too, then what words CAN we use? Especially considering how ridiuclously authoratarian most of the internet is.

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"Strict," "restrictive," "authoritarian," et cetera. Words that don't immediately attempt to appeal to the emotional, unlike things like "fascist," "Nazi," "Orwellian," "Big Brother," et al.

The whole point with words like that is to appeal to the emotional. Unless it's in a debate or other such thing, there's nothing wrong with emotionally weighted statements. Otherwise we'd be robots.

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That's the point; they're frequently used in debate-like settings. Evoking images of jackbooted thugs via emotionally charged verbiage is intellectually dishonest in such situations.

No, they're usually used when someone calls nazi mod on a staff member on a forum, or something like grammar-nazi on a member. You can get what they mean by, it, usually.

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It's not the denotation I'm concerned about, it's the connotation.

You can discuss Godwin's Law in another thread. This thread is for dicussion of Homestar Runner Forums. Rosalie, I'd try giving Homestar Rules a shot. No one follows the rules there, much less enforces them. Age group is mostly above the age of 14.

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I think this forum is just fine. I've been here, reading it for a while, and just now signed up, and things seem OK. People can talk about drugs and such, it seems, as long as its in a civil and intelectual manner. I think making a forum that's labeled as "Adult", you'll invite trolls, rude people (or moreso than usual), and conversations like "So u think homstar is &#Y$ing marzipan! lol he prolly has invisible *bleep* liek his arms huhhuhuh!!!" And stuff like that. This is Homstarrunner. The ages I've seen enjoy it are 13 - 30. And just because part of it is college people doesn't mean we need to resort to trashy conversations. I mean.... Rose... just WHAT is it you want to discuss that can't be discussed here in a civil way?

From reading all your posts, you seem to come across as one of these sad sort of anarchistic folks... like the teenager who yells at yer parents "You're suffocating me!!", seeing as how earlier, your main complaint with homestarrules.com was "They have too many rules!!! WAAAH!!"