More adult themed H*R forum?

Clan rHrN · **Posted:** Wed Jan 04, 2006 10:59 pm

Why don't you make H*RWiki 2 if you want this to be more adult-themed? We can't have people like Necromancer here forever!(Cussers, trolls, and so on)

Señor · **Posted:** Wed Jan 04, 2006 11:03 pm

Clan rHrN wrote:

Why don't you make H*RWiki 2 if you want this to be more adult-themed? We can't have people like Necromancer here forever!(Cussers, trolls, and so on)

Um...no.

The wiki would probably not make another "adult-themed" wiki. Nor would they let anyone else.

Jenny · **Posted:** Wed Jan 04, 2006 11:15 pm

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*stuff about TBC on drugs*

my friend James thinks the same thing about TBC... but I think he just says it to annoy me

Kittie Rose · **Joined:** Thu Dec 22, 2005 7:24 pm **Posts:** 544

The Noid wrote:

Okay, let me have my side of the voice.

I think Rosalie is talking about people like me when she says stuff like "it's too kiddy-orientated". Well, Homestar is pretty freaking kiddy-orientated(and the other stuff is probabaly so obscure to seven year olds they wouldn't even find it as a joke.)

We just want to keep this place civilised(which I probably just mispelled.), and not have it filled with innappropriate questions. We want this place to be like Homestar-occasionally, a few references, but nothing too major.

So, uhh...I think I just explained nothing there.

If you are planning on having a mature discussin, like questioning whether or not the TBC are on crack, I suggest you PM a mod and write "Warning Mature Discussion" in the title.

Or, you can just create your own forum. Your choice.

(Also, where in the name of crap did you get the idea that they are on drugs?)

I'm pretty sure it's been said numerous times that the target audiences for homestarrunner are college students and young adults. So far, most websites cater to young adults, and the other demographic gets ignored.

Ju Ju Master · **Joined:** Wed Jul 06, 2005 1:01 am **Posts:** 6245

Christmas Rose wrote:

The Noid wrote:

Okay, let me have my side of the voice.

I think Rosalie is talking about people like me when she says stuff like "it's too kiddy-orientated". Well, Homestar is pretty freaking kiddy-orientated(and the other stuff is probabaly so obscure to seven year olds they wouldn't even find it as a joke.)

We just want to keep this place civilised(which I probably just mispelled.), and not have it filled with innappropriate questions. We want this place to be like Homestar-occasionally, a few references, but nothing too major.

So, uhh...I think I just explained nothing there.

If you are planning on having a mature discussin, like questioning whether or not the TBC are on crack, I suggest you PM a mod and write "Warning Mature Discussion" in the title.

Or, you can just create your own forum. Your choice.

(Also, where in the name of crap did you get the idea that they are on drugs?)

I'm pretty sure it's been said numerous times that the target audiences for homestarrunner are college students and young adults. So far, most websites cater to young adults, and the other demographic gets ignored.

It STARTED as catering to college students, but they target more at the whole of teens now, it seems.

Alberto · **Posted:** Thu Jan 05, 2006 3:47 am

Christmas Rose wrote:

The Noid wrote:

Okay, let me have my side of the voice.

I think Rosalie is talking about people like me when she says stuff like "it's too kiddy-orientated". Well, Homestar is pretty freaking kiddy-orientated(and the other stuff is probabaly so obscure to seven year olds they wouldn't even find it as a joke.)

We just want to keep this place civilised(which I probably just mispelled.), and not have it filled with innappropriate questions. We want this place to be like Homestar-occasionally, a few references, but nothing too major.

So, uhh...I think I just explained nothing there.

If you are planning on having a mature discussin, like questioning whether or not the TBC are on crack, I suggest you PM a mod and write "Warning Mature Discussion" in the title.

Or, you can just create your own forum. Your choice.

(Also, where in the name of crap did you get the idea that they are on drugs?)

I'm pretty sure it's been said numerous times that the target audiences for homestarrunner are college students and young adults. So far, most websites cater to young adults, and the other demographic gets ignored.

No, most sites on the internet are adult oreinted.

StrongRad · **Posted:** Thu Jan 05, 2006 3:52 am

I think she mean most Homestar sites..

Alberto · **Posted:** Thu Jan 05, 2006 4:29 am

Oh.... never mind then.

wave0babies · **Posted:** Thu Jan 05, 2006 4:36 am

yeah but as a teenager myself, I dont think it is reasonable to request that one of the only websites on the net I can go to wth my parents over my shoulder should become "adult oriented" is rediculous. there are enough sex refrences, drugs, and "adult conduct" in the world,I dont need it in Homestar.

There was a DVD commentary where they were discussing Ryan Sterrit. Mike said we call him Ry-Guy and Matt said we also call him, no wait, thats a swear word.. and Mike said Matt! we dont know any swear words!

and thats how it should stay.

Kittie Rose · **Joined:** Thu Dec 22, 2005 7:24 pm **Posts:** 544

wave0babies wrote:

yeah but as a teenager myself, I dont think it is reasonable to request that one of the only websites on the net I can go to wth my parents over my shoulder should become "adult oriented" is rediculous. there are enough sex refrences, drugs, and "adult conduct" in the world,I dont need it in Homestar.

There was a DVD commentary where they were discussing Ryan Sterrit. Mike said we call him Ry-Guy and Matt said we also call him, no wait, thats a swear word.. and Mike said Matt! we dont know any swear words!

and thats how it should stay.

Nobody's saying that they should put that in Homestarrunner. Just that there should be a place to talk about it in that kind of light.

wave0babies · **Posted:** Thu Jan 05, 2006 5:17 am

Christmas Rose wrote:

wave0babies wrote:

yeah but as a teenager myself, I dont think it is reasonable to request that one of the only websites on the net I can go to wth my parents over my shoulder should become "adult oriented" is rediculous. there are enough sex refrences, drugs, and "adult conduct" in the world,I dont need it in Homestar.

There was a DVD commentary where they were discussing Ryan Sterrit. Mike said we call him Ry-Guy and Matt said we also call him, no wait, thats a swear word.. and Mike said Matt! we dont know any swear words!

and thats how it should stay.

Nobody's saying that they should put that in Homestarrunner. Just that there should be a place to talk about it in that kind of light.

why though? would it make it better for you if you could cuss? and if homestar dosent cuss theres no point.

Icebrand · **Posted:** Thu Jan 05, 2006 5:46 am

wave0babies wrote:

Christmas Rose wrote:

wave0babies wrote:

yeah but as a teenager myself, I dont think it is reasonable to request that one of the only websites on the net I can go to wth my parents over my shoulder should become "adult oriented" is rediculous. there are enough sex refrences, drugs, and "adult conduct" in the world,I dont need it in Homestar.

There was a DVD commentary where they were discussing Ryan Sterrit. Mike said we call him Ry-Guy and Matt said we also call him, no wait, thats a swear word.. and Mike said Matt! we dont know any swear words!

and thats how it should stay.

Nobody's saying that they should put that in Homestarrunner. Just that there should be a place to talk about it in that kind of light.

why though? would it make it better for you if you could cuss? and if homestar dosent cuss theres no point.

I don't think the question is whether she can drop a few words that get CENSOR'D on this site. I believe the issue is more to do with being able to talk about it in a wholly free environment without having to worry about younger kids reading it and getting offended.

The question I have is why so many people are so vehemently opposed to this idea. People having a second place to talk about Homestar Runner cartoons won't significantly affect THIS Homestar Runner site, especially since it would clearly be catering to a different target audience.

wave0babies · **Posted:** Thu Jan 05, 2006 5:49 am

I just dont understand what you could say about homestar that would be enhanced by being adult themed.

Icebrand · **Posted:** Thu Jan 05, 2006 5:52 am

wave0babies wrote:

I just dont understand what you could say about homestar that would be enhanced by being adult themed.

At this forum, 4 forums are about Homestar Runner, 3 forums are about the HR Wiki, and 6 forums are off-topic. Do you see what I'm getting at here?

Maybe it doesn't add a lot to the discussion of Homestar Runner ITSELF, but it would create a community of Homestar Runner FANS, hence people with something in common, who are able to speak freely.

wave0babies · **Posted:** Thu Jan 05, 2006 5:58 am

oooh. I wasnt getting that. Yeah sounds Ok, I just dont think its that important. Thanks for explaining.

Icebrand · **Posted:** Thu Jan 05, 2006 6:01 am

wave0babies wrote:

oooh. I wasnt getting that. Yeah sounds Ok, I just dont think its that important. Thanks for explaining.

I was just wondering why the opposition to the idea. It wouldn't add any profanity or obscenity to THIS forum.

And if I came off at all harsh in my replies, I didn't mean to. The caps are for emphasis, not shouting.

wave0babies · **Posted:** Thu Jan 05, 2006 6:02 am

yeah i know.
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but that xmasrose is driving me NUTS

Kittie Rose · **Joined:** Thu Dec 22, 2005 7:24 pm **Posts:** 544

Icebrand wrote:

wave0babies wrote:

Christmas Rose wrote:

wave0babies wrote:

yeah but as a teenager myself, I dont think it is reasonable to request that one of the only websites on the net I can go to wth my parents over my shoulder should become "adult oriented" is rediculous. there are enough sex refrences, drugs, and "adult conduct" in the world,I dont need it in Homestar.

There was a DVD commentary where they were discussing Ryan Sterrit. Mike said we call him Ry-Guy and Matt said we also call him, no wait, thats a swear word.. and Mike said Matt! we dont know any swear words!

and thats how it should stay.

Nobody's saying that they should put that in Homestarrunner. Just that there should be a place to talk about it in that kind of light.

why though? would it make it better for you if you could cuss? and if homestar dosent cuss theres no point.

I don't think the question is whether she can drop a few words that get CENSOR'D on this site. I believe the issue is more to do with being able to talk about it in a wholly free environment without having to worry about younger kids reading it and getting offended.

The question I have is why so many people are so vehemently opposed to this idea. People having a second place to talk about Homestar Runner cartoons won't significantly affect THIS Homestar Runner site, especially since it would clearly be catering to a different target audience.

Yes, thank you, that's exactly what I'm asking.

And Babies, it's very impotant to me as I'm someone who needs a lot of breathing space. Limiting discussion like this feels unnatural to me and makes me feel uncomfortable if I spend too long.

Power Crunch · **Posted:** Thu Jan 05, 2006 6:53 am

Christmas Rose wrote:

And Babies, it's very impotant to me as I'm someone who needs a lot of breathing space. Limiting discussion like this feels unnatural to me and makes me feel uncomfortable if I spend too long.

Sounds like your suffocating. lol. But you know, just like someone else suggested, you could start your own forum. It takes time to build a community but if you really want to it's not THAT hard to accomplish.

Mr. Analog · **Posted:** Thu Jan 05, 2006 7:31 am

Christmas Rose wrote:

And Babies, it's very impotant to me as I'm someone who needs a lot of breathing space. Limiting discussion like this feels unnatural to me and makes me feel uncomfortable if I spend too long.

First of all I want to say one thing, I respect you and many of your opinions as you have had many thoughtful and insightful posts, however, get off your high horse. If people can't discuss things in a civil manner in the first place they are just adding noise. Watching language and limiting subject matter for disucssion to rational ends are a courtesy we extend to each other. There is virtually no difference between saying "that was f***in' great" and "that was really great", other than one is a sign of maturity and the other is (in my opinion) simply knee-jerk puerility fostered by 30+ years of "youth culture".

I think a lot of moderation is done merely out of the desire to reduce trolling and flamewars. One might say that "TBC may be influenced by various narcotics", hey that's fine, a great subject for discussion (though as you have seen, be prepared to face rebuttal), if someone makes wide, sweeping generalizations that are going to stir up a lot of emotional reponse from the majority, like saying that "TBC are obviously influenced by unnatural stimuli", it's only going to stir up a cacophony of varying emotions which serve no purpose other than to angry up the blood.

I think what you perhaps don't relaize yet is that there is a fine balance between freedom of speech and cultural acceptance. You can say anything you want here, but there are repercussions for breaking the cultural rules, which could lead to being ostracized from that culture.

If the rules are too confining, I'm sorry to say you might have to move on.

Mr.KISS · **Posted:** Thu Jan 05, 2006 1:32 pm

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If people can't discuss things in a civil manner in the first place they are just adding noise. Watching language and limiting subject matter for disucssion to rational ends are a courtesy we extend to each other. There is virtually no difference between saying "that was f***in' great" and "that was really great", other than one is a sign of maturity and the other is (in my opinion) simply knee-jerk puerility fostered by 30+ years of "youth culture".

This is true, but Rose said somewhere earlier that's not entirley what she meant, by more adult themed.

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I think a lot of moderation is done merely out of the desire to reduce trolling and flamewars.

Yes. The only flaw the kind of forum Rose is talking about is that once rules are dropped, people will take full avantage of it. Like, when you're arguing here, people usually have a good argument with evidence to support their claims, in a forum like she's describing, the little, immature kids that are taking full advantage of the lack of rules will probably just tell you to shut-up.

Susan · **Posted:** Thu Jan 05, 2006 8:04 pm

http://www.homestarrules.com is more of a open minded site. Yes, kids can join but they dont care. I have talked about Uni-sex washrooms, drugs, gay people (not saying I have anything against them) and the like over there. I suggest you check it out.

Kittie Rose · **Joined:** Thu Dec 22, 2005 7:24 pm **Posts:** 544

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Sounds like your suffocating. lol. But you know, just like someone else suggested, you could start your own forum. It takes time to build a community but if you really want to it's not THAT hard to accomplish.

It is. Have you seen how many utterly inactive H*R forums there are out there? How do I even go about getting members?

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first of all I want to say one thing, I respect you and many of your opinions as you have had many thoughtful and insightful posts, however, get off your high horse. If people can't discuss things in a civil manner in the first place they are just adding noise.

Why does being allowed to swear mean people won't discuss things in civil manner? There are PLENTY of ways to be uncivil without using swear words. But it's still irritating to someone who's used to them when they can't use them.
It makes me uncomfortable and I don't think you have a right to tell me otherwise anymore than I have a right to expect TBC to add swearing to their cartoons.

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Watching language and limiting subject matter for disucssion to rational ends are a courtesy we extend to each other.

But why? Especially on the limiting subject matter. Why should some things be taboo, "Just because"? Shouldn't there be a time and a place for everything?

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There is virtually no difference between saying "that was f***in' great" and "that was really great",other than one is a sign of maturity and the other is (in my opinion) simply knee-jerk puerility fostered by 30+ years of "youth culture".

But if there's no other difference, then why does one become a "civil manner"? And one is different, because it's a matter of expression. The way we use those words nowadays are to denote a level of expression that goes beyond "really". You're also making a huge presumption on the kind of people(almost everybody) that use swearing, and why.

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I think a lot of moderation is done merely out of the desire to reduce trolling and flamewars. One might say that "TBC may be influenced by various narcotics", hey that's fine, a great subject for discussion (though as you have seen, be prepared to face rebuttal), if someone makes wide, sweeping generalizations that are going to stir up a lot of emotional reponse from the majority, like saying that "TBC are obviously influenced by unnatural stimuli", it's only going to stir up a cacophony of varying emotions which serve no purpose other than to angry up the blood.

It's still only expressing an opinion.

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I think what you perhaps don't relaize yet is that there is a fine balance between freedom of speech and cultural acceptance. You can say anything you want here, but there are repercussions for breaking the cultural rules, which could lead to being ostracized from that culture.

Then why should there not be, as I asked earlier, another culture with more lax rules?

As for Homestar Rules:

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Quite an apt name don't you think? That place is definitely wore than here, I'd say. Those rules are damn long... Considerring PHPBB already has generic rules. Check Rules 11 & 12 for why I'd never join. Heck, I'd probably be banned just for being a transsexual...

Lor · **Posted:** Thu Jan 05, 2006 9:18 pm

Christmas Rose, I think (and please correct me if I'm wrong) that the general thrust of your suggestion is that there should be a forum (or sub-forum) for the discussion of HomestarRunner, where the rules are more lax - especially (or exclusively) those pertaining to the protection of more sensitive readers, i.e. reduction of offensive language, limited discussion of unsavoury topics, etc.

While this is an interesting idea, I think the clear attitude of this community is that while you have every right to pursue the creation of such a forum, this is not the place for it. Just as you have the right to think there should be such a place, the forum administrators have the equal (and in some cases, superseding (sp?)) right to enforce the above-mentioned rules forum-wide, and wiki-wide, and refuse to create any additional, more lax forums.

I think someone said before, "If you want a forum like your describing, go and create it yourself." - Well, in all honesty, I think that's what this discussion will eventually boil down to. I'm not saying, "Hey, shove off and stop pestering us," but really, the best course of action for yourself at the moment is to investigate creating a place yourself that matches your preferences more. It's quite clear that the idea for a more adult-orientated forum has relatively little support here. I understand that this is hard (and possibly unrealistic) - as you asked, how would you get members, and keep it active? But if you think the idea is popular enough, well, who knows?

On a more personal note, I don't think it's a good idea to have an 'adult' forum here. We do have a lot of younger viewers, and I think it's in the spirit of H*R that there's no need to be unsavoury, or profane, to have fun (yikes, that sounds so corny). If we were to create an adult forum, would there be any way to make sure that people who aren't supposed to be exposed to it, aren't exposed to it? And yes, I know 8-year-olds all swear and take drugs and read Something Awful and etc... nowdays anyway, but I'd still be uncomfortable with the furthering and fostering of that situation in the context of H*R.

+ Lor.

Kittie Rose · **Joined:** Thu Dec 22, 2005 7:24 pm **Posts:** 544

I don't know where people got that I was suggesting having an "adult" forum here. Having a single subforum for it would be pointless. The point is to have a forum somewhere completely different that lets people express a wider range of views that may not be suitable for a younger audience.

Lor · **Posted:** Thu Jan 05, 2006 10:48 pm

Christmas Rose wrote:

I don't know where people got that I was suggesting having an "adult" forum here. Having a single subforum for it would be pointless. The point is to have a forum somewhere completely different that lets people express a wider range of views that may not be suitable for a younger audience.

Aoh, I see. I thought that might be what you were suggesting, but didn't want to assume anything. In that case, I reiterate more confidently that, as evidenced by many previous posts, there doesn't seem to be a lot of interest in supporting something like that from the people at this forum. The only other suggestion that I can make, is to look into creating it yourself (or suggest it at another forum), which of course has been suggested numerous times.

It's dot com · **Posted:** Thu Jan 05, 2006 11:03 pm

This has been touched on already, but I believe it bears emphasizing: There is virtually no restriction on what can be discussed on this forum, provided the subject matter has a serious relevance to the official site. The only reason topics get shut down is when they degrade into personal attacks, veer horribly off-topic, or are based on such wild speculation that objective discussion is not possible. I would think, however, that any thread inspired by something on the site or by verifiable real-world events would be fair game here. Suppose, for example, someone associated with H*R publicly made a truly sexist statement. I would then expect an appropriate discussion on sexism to sprout here on the forum. In other words, everything that really needs discussing will eventually be discussed here, never mind any notions of a "range of views that may not be suitable for a younger audience."

Unfortunately, Rose, I cannot personally offer any suggestions on where to find a place to go and swear about Homestar, other than simply to repeat what others have mentioned (make your own forum), which I admit is little help to you. Incidentally, you are right in that nearly everyone, everywhere, from all social classes, in some context, has used a swear word. Swearing is not some newfangled form of expression, but a phenomenon that occurs in all languages throughout history. Studies have even shown that swearing is processed by a different part of the brain from regular words. It is quite possible, however, to make a powerful, emotionally-significant post without swearing, which is what we ask you do here. I myself am glad that this forum has chosen to keep the language level on a similar standard to that of the official site (in much the same way that commercials are appropriate for the shows in which they run and movie previews are similar in tone to the feature they come before). Good luck in your search, though.

Dark Grapefruit · **Posted:** Fri Jan 06, 2006 12:18 am

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Quite an apt name don't you think? That place is definitely wore than here, I'd say. Those rules are damn long... Considerring PHPBB already has generic rules. Check Rules 11 & 12 for why I'd never join. Heck, I'd probably be banned just for being a transsexual...

Let's see what those rules are again:

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Looks perfectly reasonable to me. By joining, you are placing your trust in the admins that they will not abuse their power, which they have never done. This is just like on any forum. And the restrictions on posting are just like on any forum either. Unless you're suggesting you'd like a forum in which you were free to post hateful things, I don't see what the problem is.

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Huh, this one does look a lot stricter than it actually is. Trust me, H*Rules has had plenty of lengthy discussions on drugs, sex, and race issues. Yeah, you'll get banned if you post porn or racist comments, and probably at least warned if you post while drunk or something, but that's about it.

oh, and H*Rules has at least one transsexual member that I know of.

Clan rHrN · **Posted:** Fri Jan 06, 2006 12:20 am

Dark Grapefruit wrote:

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Quite an apt name don't you think? That place is definitely wore than here, I'd say. Those rules are damn long... Considerring PHPBB already has generic rules. Check Rules 11 & 12 for why I'd never join. Heck, I'd probably be banned just for being a transsexual...

Let's see what those rules are again:

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11. We reserve the right to ban users for any reason with or without prior warning. You agree, through your use of this service, that you will not use the dismissal.org forum to post any material which is knowingly false and/or defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, sexually oriented, threatening, invasive of a person's privacy, or otherwise violative of any law. You agree not to use the addresses of any users on the forum for any other purpose than personal communication with that user.

We reserve the right to delete any message for any or no reason whatsoever. You remain solely responsible for the content of your messages, and you agree to indemnify and hold harmless, dismissal.org and their agents with respect to any claim based upon transmission of your message(s). We reserve the right to revoke your useto the forum or disable your posting ability for any or no reason whatsoever.

Looks perfectly reasonable to me. By joining, you are placing your trust in the admins that they will not abuse their power, which they have never done. This is just like on any forum. And the restrictions on posting are just like on any forum either. Unless you're suggesting you'd like a forum in which you were free to post hateful things, I don't see what the problem is.

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12. User's may not post content contaning use of illegal drugs, alcohol, sex, pornography, nudity, or any other form of adult content, profanity, hate, "spam," fraud, racism, mlm, pyramid schemes, or any illegal activity.

Huh, this one does look a lot stricter than it actually is. Trust me, H*Rules has had plenty of lengthy discussions on drugs, sex, and race issues. Yeah, you'll get banned if you post porn or racist comments, and probably at least warned if you post while drunk or something, but that's about it.

oh, and H*Rules has at least one transsexual member that I know of.

Who could that be??
Anyways, no... we may have H*R Wiki 2 if someone makes it... but this doesn't need to be adult-themed.

ramrod · **Posted:** Fri Jan 06, 2006 12:27 am

Clan rHrN wrote:

Anyways, no... we may have H*R Wiki 2 if someone makes it... but this doesn't need to be adult-themed.

Well, only Joey and the others admins can make a new HR Wiki forum, run on this domain at least. A new one could be made by someone else, but it would have to be made on a different domain name and server, and wouldn't be official.

Homestar Runner Wiki Forum

More adult themed H*R forum?

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