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So we have some problems, a.k.a. 509 Error (merged)
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Author:  AgentSeethroo [ Thu Jul 21, 2005 8:37 pm ]
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Ju Ju Master wrote:
WHat if you deleetd the forum and got a free one, like proboards? They're nowhere near as good, but it'll save money and keep the bandwith much farther down.


No. Not gonna happen. No way. Not at all.

Proboards?? *shudders*
Author:  Acekirby [ Thu Jul 21, 2005 8:38 pm ]
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Ju Ju Master wrote:
WHat if you deleetd the forum and got a free one, like proboards? They're nowhere near as good, but it'll save money and keep the bandwith much farther down.

That's what I was going to do if the forum ever got baleeted. I would set up my own, like a "Former HRWiki Forum". I thought it was a pretty dumb solution, but looking back, it seems like a good idea.

Although it would be kind of sad to see this forum go...

EDIT: Nevermind, shot down by Seethroo.
Author:  Ju Ju Master [ Thu Jul 21, 2005 8:44 pm ]
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Any board, proboards is the first one I thoguth of, though i knew nobody bwould like the idea. Someday, though, maybe soon, something big like that will need to happen, and I think it's one of the better choices.
Author:  Jitka [ Thu Jul 21, 2005 8:51 pm ]
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I'm really no expert at anything, so I have no idea if this would make any difference, but why don't we just delete the Spam Vault? We don't need those old threads. All they do is take up space. Granted, I don't know exactly how much space they take up, but we don't really need them anymore.

Although that would screw with people's post counts, mostly for the admins and mods who did the locking.
Author:  Acekirby [ Thu Jul 21, 2005 8:54 pm ]
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JohnTheTinyCowboy wrote:
I'm really no expert at anything, so I have no idea if this would make any difference, but why don't we just delete the Spam Vault? We don't need those old threads. All they do is take up space. Granted, I don't know exactly how much space they take up, but we don't really need them anymore.

Although that would screw with people's post counts, mostly for the admins and mods who did the locking.

I actually had an idea like this. It was to delete Forum Games. Yeah, I know some people would get miffed, but there are some good points.

1. It won't matter to post count.
2. There are a LOT of old and unused games there.
3. It's the biggest section of the forum.

Between Forum Games and the entire forum, I'd much rather have just Forum Games go.
Author:  Encountering Gremlins [ Thu Jul 21, 2005 9:03 pm ]
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Well, I don't know if they're still up or not, but aren't there other H*R Forums out there moderated by a couple people here? I could see going to those during shutdowns as a backup if more people here went for the same reasons. It's a better idea than not going to any Forum at all for several days near the end of the month. Of course, there is the chat, though, and that helps a little at least.

And if deleting the Spam Vault helped any, I might possibly be in favor of that. The only thing about doing so is that there actually are some insightful and entertaining things in a few of those threads that would make for good reading for those who haven't seen them. Granted, most of them don't fit that description, but there are a few - they just happen to be threads that no longer need to be added to at this point.
Author:  Black Metal [ Thu Jul 21, 2005 9:03 pm ]
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Although in the short term, those ideas may work, ultimately, at this growth rate, we're going to have to go to some place with more bandwith. Getting rid of Forum Games MIGHT help though. I'm no expert.
Author:  Acekirby [ Thu Jul 21, 2005 9:05 pm ]
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Encountering Gremlins wrote:
Well, I don't know if they're still up or not, but aren't there other H*R Forums out there moderated by a couple people here?

Well, there is Porple's Forum. I usually go there when bandwith is down. Although there were less refugees there last month than I expected.
Author:  Ju Ju Master [ Thu Jul 21, 2005 9:48 pm ]
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I wouldn't like forum games to go, that's where i spend a lot of time i'd much rather move the forum to somewhere else than that, but that probably won't happen either.
Author:  ed 'lim' smilde [ Fri Jul 22, 2005 1:36 am ]
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Deleting those things wouldn't really help. Bandwidth isn't how much stuff is on the server; it's how much data is transferred to and from. If no one is accessing those old games, it doesn't make any difference with bandwidth.

EDIT: sim'lpost'd with JtTC
Author:  Jitka [ Fri Jul 22, 2005 1:36 am ]
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Maybe we should delete the Spam Vault and all but the first three pages of forum games. That way, old, dusty games no one plays anymore can go, but shiny new games everyone likes (The Comeback Game, Countdown from 10000) can stay. I don't know if it would help, it's just my two cents.
Author:  Black Metal [ Fri Jul 22, 2005 2:10 am ]
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JohnTheTinyCowboy wrote:
Maybe we should delete the Spam Vault and all but the first three pages of forum games. That way, old, dusty games no one plays anymore can go, but shiny new games everyone likes (The Comeback Game, Countdown from 10000) can stay. I don't know if it would help, it's just my two cents.


Well, that wouldn't have much of an effect. Bandwith isn't based on what exists, but rather what people view. Old stuff is hardly ever viewed, so not much bandwith is wasted on it.
Author:  Stu [ Fri Jul 22, 2005 4:47 am ]
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But.... if we had to delete one forum to make a difference, forum games would be it. In terms of the forum.hrwiki.org, it uses the most bandwidth. But that isn't saying much.

The majority of our bandwidth is being spent on the wiki itself :) So don't worry about any of the forums getting nuked. We have no reason/desire to upset any more people then we absolutely have to :)
Author:  Ju Ju Master [ Fri Jul 22, 2005 1:10 pm ]
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I know, I was surprised when i saw how much bandwith the wiki uses, that's why I'm saying we should get rid of random page. Each page has at least one picture, and each time it's downloaded onto one persons computer, it uses an average of 30 kilobytes. 34 of those equals one megabyte. That's not much, but take into cinsderation how many people usethe random page button a lot. WHen i was bored i would just click it, and about 6/7 of the time I got a page I had already seen before. I could end up using a megabyte in the minute just because of pictures. Altogether, this could add up to a lot, and many people don't get much out of it. I think you should just get rid of it, it's not that helpful and could add up to a lot of bandwith usage altogether.
Author:  Tom [ Fri Jul 22, 2005 2:22 pm ]
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Ju Ju Master wrote:
I know, I was surprised when i saw how much bandwith the wiki uses, that's why I'm saying we should get rid of random page.

I told you this once, but I'll say it again.

It's not a problem. Feel free to click away to your heart's content.
Author:  Ju Ju Master [ Fri Jul 22, 2005 5:10 pm ]
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I know you did, but that just doesn't make any sense. If 5 people went to 8 pages every minute for 5 minutes, and each page had at least one picture on it, wouldn't it suck out about 10 megabytes?
Author:  FireBird [ Fri Jul 22, 2005 5:18 pm ]
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Ju Ju Master wrote:
I know you did, but that just doesn't make any sense. If 5 people went to 8 pages every minute for 5 minutes, and each page had at least one picture on it, wouldn't it suck out about 10 megabytes?

Ju Ju, I think Tom knows what he's talking about a little more than you do.
Author:  Ju Ju Master [ Fri Jul 22, 2005 5:34 pm ]
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I agree that he probably knows best, but it doesn't seem to make sense. please explain to... er.. put my worries at ease? Yeah, put my worries at ease.
Author:  Tom [ Fri Jul 22, 2005 9:08 pm ]
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Ju Ju Master wrote:
I agree that he probably knows best, but it doesn't seem to make sense. please explain to... er.. put my worries at ease? Yeah, put my worries at ease.

Let's say I was going to try and draw you a graph of how insignificant your personal page views affect the Wiki as a whole.

Let's say you clicking on the random page link used up the amount of bandwidth equal to the dot on the top of an "i". Let's say that dot on the top of that "i" is 1 pixel wide.

Every time you click on that random page link, I'm going to add 1 pixel to the graph I'm making, okay?

Now go buy seventeen thousand five hundred seventy-nine computer monitors, set them all to a 1024x768 screen resolution, line them up end to end, and I'll be able to show you the graph for how many times it would take you clicking on the random page link for it to reach our bandwidth limit.

Please. Feel free to click away to your heart's content.
Author:  Ju Ju Master [ Fri Jul 22, 2005 11:45 pm ]
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I agree that if I was the only person using the button it would be insignificant, but with a lot of people downloading a lot of images, I think itb would add up. But it's true that you probably know more about bandwith and stuff like that than me, so I'm gonna trust you on this one.
Author:  Black Metal [ Fri Jul 22, 2005 11:52 pm ]
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How would clicking the random page button be any different than viewing pages by clicking on links?
Author:  Tom [ Sat Jul 23, 2005 12:25 am ]
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Black Metal wrote:
How would clicking the random page button be any different than viewing pages by clicking on links?

It wouldn't be any different.
Author:  Ju Ju Master [ Sat Jul 23, 2005 12:29 am ]
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I know it wouldn't be any different, but since I've pressed it so many times, I've seen a LOT of pages on the wiki, and much more than half the time, I look at the title of the page and jsut click random page again, since I've already seen that page hundreds of times.
Author:  Tom [ Sat Jul 23, 2005 12:32 am ]
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Ju Ju Master wrote:
I know it wouldn't be any different, but since I've pressed it so many times, I've seen a LOT of pages on the wiki, and much more than half the time, I look at the title of the page and jsut click random page again, since I've already seen that page hundreds of times.

The purpose of the Wiki is to have people read the articles. If people stopped reading the articles in order to decrease our bandwidth load, then that would defeat the purpose of having the Wiki in the first place.
Author:  Ju Ju Master [ Sat Jul 23, 2005 12:36 am ]
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No no, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that random page is pretty much useless UNLESS there's a way to make it so you can choose that pages don't show up more than once when using the random page button.
Author:  Tom [ Sat Jul 23, 2005 12:39 am ]
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Ju Ju Master wrote:
No no, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that random page is pretty much useless UNLESS there's a way to make it so you can choose that pages don't show up more than once when using the random page button.

So you have a problem with the random page feature because it only returns articles that you have read already?

That's not really something we can fix. There are a finite number of articles and I can't make you forget about the articles that you've read.

Oh, no wait. I've got it.

TOM: {waves hand} These aren't the articles you're looking for. Move along.
Author:  Ju Ju Master [ Sat Jul 23, 2005 12:54 am ]
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Then what will continue happening is anyone who uses the random page button will download the same pictures many, many times.
Author:  Tom [ Sat Jul 23, 2005 12:59 am ]
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Ju Ju Master wrote:
Then what will continue happening is anyone who uses the random page button will download the same pictures many, many times.

That doesn't happen.

Internet browsers use a handy thing called caching to reduce bandwidth usage and web site access times.
Author:  Ju Ju Master [ Sat Jul 23, 2005 1:35 am ]
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Not if people have history disabled or only saving things from a couple of days ago.
Author:  Black Metal [ Sat Jul 23, 2005 1:38 am ]
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Well, if you think its such a big issue why don't you start a petition, or just not use it anymore.

*clicks random page button to show how hamless it is*
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